Prosper (McKinney, Flower Mound, Frisco: houses, neighborhoods, middle schools)

[Saintmarks]

Originally Posted by Prospered

It's not that having 45,000 students or several schools means that Prosper can't have a quality school district. It's just that it's not the small town, single high school community feel, which was getting compared to Highland Park or Southlake that was attracting buyers.

Now it's just another suburb only with longer commute, lack of shopping/dinning/employment opportunities and no corporate business base to support residential property taxes. Even big cheerleaders have changed their tone and now comparing it to Flower Mound instead of Highland Park and Southlake.

I for one prefer a Flower Mound type of community to the exclusiveness of a Highland Park or a Southlake. As if Flower Mound were something to disdain.

Keep in mind the shape of the ISD boundaries will mean it will have almost as many students (if not more) from Frisco and McKinney than from the town of Prosper itself.

Another thought, where does the 45,000 number come from? How does a town of 75,000 have a student population that high? Even if the ISD has another 75,000 coming from the build out of Frisco, Celina and McKinney how does the age 5-18 bracket account for one third of the population?

Just doing math in my head and it doesn't compute....

[CREW747]

When we first moved to Texas we were surprised at how far the school district boundaries expanded outside the actual town/city they were in...As of 2016 the Prosper's population is roughly 18,000.At build out the population is estimated to be between 65,000-70,000 people.When we moved here one of our wants was to be in a town atmosphere.For me personally I like the idea of a mid size town more than I do a large city like suburb.When considering places to purchase originally,we found Flower Mound,Colleyville,Prosper and Southlake really appealing partly for that reason.While Frisco,Plano and Mc Kinney are fantastic cities with amazingly beautiful neighborhoods and a lot to offer,they are going to be tremendous suburbs at build out,near 300,000 people each.That is why those 3 areas are kind of comparable to each other more than some of the smaller cities and towns around DFW.Similar zoning,ameneties,housing stock etc.

[Prospered]

Originally Posted by Saintmarks

I for one prefer a Flower Mound type of community to the exclusiveness of a Highland Park or a Southlake. As if Flower Mound were something to disdain.

Keep in mind the shape of the ISD boundaries will mean it will have almost as many students (if not more) from Frisco and McKinney than from the town of Prosper itself.

Another thought, where does the 45,000 number come from? How does a town of 75,000 have a student population that high? Even if the ISD has another 75,000 coming from the build out of Frisco, Celina and McKinney how does the age 5-18 bracket account for one third of the population?

Just doing math in my head and it doesn't compute....

It's not about what you prefer, it's about people who bought the story that it's going to be a small school district like Highland Park or Southlake.

You can find 45,000 projection in any future plan but here you go ... page 6

https://issuu.com/prosper-isd/docs/p...al_report_2014

[Lovejoy_family]

Originally Posted by CREW747

Prosper currently has one of the most aesthitically impressive high schools I have ever seen.If there end up being 2 I am fine with that.

Aesthetically it looks like Lovejoy and Celina High Schools. Pogue is building them like that now and they are all starting to look very similar. However, Prosper took their gym and Athletic wing took things to a new level.

This was my point earlier. Prosper won't be able to build 5+ more high schools like the current one, especially without a business/corporate tax base. They threw everything in the current high school like it was a one high school ISD knowing full and well the ISD would grow and at least 4-5 more high schools would be needed. Now the public information has been updated to say that 6+ schools would be needed. Very poor planning...

I've always viewed Prosper as the next Frisco (absolutely nothing wrong with that) and got a chuckle when I read how they compared themselves to SLC (Southlake Carroll). On top of having to build more schools there is a large plot of land purchased across the railroad tracks from the new High School with plans to put in an Allen-like stadium! Problem with that plan is how will one stadium host 6+ teams. Even with only 6 teams there will be 3 home games every week. That's games on Thursday, Friday and Saturday, add a 7th team and you get a double header every other Saturday. So that probably means there will need to be a second stadium... Building costs are rising so Allen's 60 million dollar stadium will cost about 65 million, or do you try to keep up with Frisco and build a dome? You can pass a bond for as much money as you want, but that doesn't mean any investor with any sense is going to loan you money you can't pay back. Next will be a need for a Natatorium...

[Telegan]

Originally Posted by Saintmarks

Another thought, where does the 45,000 number come from? How does a town of 75,000 have a student population that high? Even if the ISD has another 75,000 coming from the build out of Frisco, Celina and McKinney how does the age 5-18 bracket account for one third of the population?

Just doing math in my head and it doesn't compute....

Well, if Prosper's build-out population is around 70-75,000 and they do get another 75,000 people contributing to its student population, you'll have a population of 145-150,000 people contributing to its schools. Frisco's population currently is around 150,000 and they have a student population of about 50-55,000. So, assuming similar demographics to Frisco... I'm guessing it's possible.

[CREW747]

Originally Posted by Lovejoy_family

Aesthetically it looks like Lovejoy and Celina High Schools. Pogue is building them like that now and they are all starting to look very similar. However, Prosper took their gym and Athletic wing took things to a new level.

This was my point earlier. Prosper won't be able to build 5+ more high schools like the current one, especially without a business/corporate tax base. They threw everything in the current high school like it was a one high school ISD knowing full and well the ISD would grow and at least 4-5 more high schools would be needed. Now the public information has been updated to say that 6+ schools would be needed. Very poor planning...

I've always viewed Prosper as the next Frisco (absolutely nothing wrong with that) and got a chuckle when I read how they compared themselves to SLC (Southlake Carroll). On top of having to build more schools there is a large plot of land purchased across the railroad tracks from the new High School with plans to put in an Allen-like stadium! Problem with that plan is how will one stadium host 6+ teams. Even with only 6 teams there will be 3 home games every week. That's games on Thursday, Friday and Saturday, add a 7th team and you get a double header every other Saturday. So that probably means there will need to be a second stadium... Building costs are rising so Allen's 60 million dollar stadium will cost about 65 million, or do you try to keep up with Frisco and build a dome? You can pass a bond for as much money as you want, but that doesn't mean any investor with any sense is going to loan you money you can't pay back. Next will be a need for a Natatorium...

Agreed about the school situation...A lot of the DFW suburbs have things in common.Safe neighborhoods/well planned neighborhoods,great amenities,good schools.As they grow Mc Kinney and Frisco will be really comparable.Prosper not so much Frisco will always have far more multi family housing and smaller lots than Prosper will.Frisco is a city that will be roughly 300,000 people at build out.Prosper is a town that will be roughly 70,000 at build out.Prosper will never have all the amenities,services and retail a mega city like Frisco has.One is not better than the other,they just offer different things.

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[Lovejoy_family]

Originally Posted by CREW747

Agreed about the school situation...A lot of the DFW suburbs have things in common.Safe neighborhoods/well planned neighborhoods,great amenities,good schools.As they grow Mc Kinney and Frisco will be really comparable.Prosper not so much Frisco will always have far more multi family housing and smaller lots than Prosper will.Frisco is a city that will be roughly 300,000 people at build out.Prosper is a town that will be roughly 70,000 at build out.Prosper will never have all the amenities,services and retail a mega city like Frisco has.One is not better than the other,they just offer different things.

I was comparing the ISD's, and I agree that Prosper will never be as big as Frisco or have the business base. But school wise they will be comparable. The last two times I was in Prosper ISD the lot sizes were shrinking and it looked a lot like Frisco neighborhoods.

[Prospered]

All of these towns are so interconnected that you can be in one town on one side of the street and in another on other side of the street. You may be living in one town and feeding to a school district in another town. It doesn't really matter if one town is small and other is huge. You'll have to drive to bigger towns all the time for one reason or other. They all start to look similar once construction boom hits. All covered in brick veneers and surrounded by wooden fences.

What matters is if your house is situated on a decent sized lot on a nice street backing to some sort of green area and you have easy access to work and all other things that a family needs are nearby. Convenience and peace go hand in hand, there is no peace in a remote home if you have long commute and must drive back to bigger towns for every need. It's just hassel and little time left to spend in that house.

[Prospered]

Originally Posted by Lovejoy_family

I was comparing the ISD's, and I agree that Prosper will never be as big as Frisco or have the business base. But school wise they will be comparable. The last two times I was in Prosper ISD the lot sizes were shrinking and it looked a lot like Frisco neighborhoods.

I agree and once housing stock is a bit older, they'll look a lot like Frisco and Plano and sooner or later they'll have to add apartments. Students in a class can't exceed state limit and it's not financially practical to have smaller class size so number of graduating students in a school in any given year is of very little importance. Its been proven that size of the district has little to do with academic standards, exhibit A is Allen vs Plano.