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Old 03-10-2015, 11:31 AM
 
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what is a jug handle?
From the Wikipedia: "A jughandle is a type of ramp or slip road that changes the way traffic turns left at an at-grade intersection (in a country where traffic drives on the right). Instead of a standard left turn being made from the left lane, left-turning traffic uses a ramp on the right side of the road. In a standard forward jughandle or near-side jughandle, the ramp leaves before the intersection, and left-turning traffic turns left off it rather than the through road. Right turns are also made using the jughandle."

You basically get off the road via a ramp, come to another road, make a left onto it to make your left turn. You mostly see jughandles on main roads, not secondary roads. I hate them because when you get off the main road, you have to usually make a left turn onto another really busy road (many without traffic lights) waiting for a break in traffic with impatient drivers ready to honk at you if you miss an opening. Or worse yet, the confusing jughandles that take you through twists and turns ( thus me getting lost and having to backtrack). At times I almost had to take a Xanax when navigating NJ roads. It can be quite stressful and I don't miss it at all. Oh and another thing that is confusing are the road signs. Very, very confusing.
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Old 03-10-2015, 12:31 PM
 
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Huh?!?!?!?!?!


I think the OP is referring to the West End, which is where the Aquarium is located. And yes, that part of downtown is old, dirty, kind of depressing. Also, I think of Reunion Tower area as just "ugly".

Other parts of downtown are great though, and seem like they are trying to use Chicago-style planning methods to build out those areas (Victory park, arts district, Klyde Warren Park). Deep Ellum is not as pleasant as it could be, but there are massive market forces in play right now, and I think that in five years, Deep Ellum will be pretty freaking amazing.

Also, to the OP - did you ever visit Uptown Dallas? It is the Dallas version of Lincoln Park/Lakeview/Wrigelyville. I know you are not into urban living, you prefer suburban, which is fine, but Uptown is really interesting to visit.

Another place to visit is oak Cliff, on the other side of the Trinity River canyon from downtown. Great restaurants there.
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Old 03-10-2015, 12:38 PM
 
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I think the OP is referring to the West End, which is where the Aquarium is located. And yes, that part of downtown is old, dirty, kind of depressing. Also, I think of Reunion Tower area as just "ugly".

Other parts of downtown are great though, and seem like they are trying to use Chicago-style planning methods to build out those areas (Victory park, arts district, Klyde Warren Park). Deep Ellum is not as pleasant as it could be, but there are massive market forces in play right now, and I think that in five years, Deep Ellum will be pretty freaking amazing.

Also, to the OP - did you ever visit Uptown Dallas? It is the Dallas version of Lincoln Park/Lakeview/Wrigelyville. I know you are not into urban living, you prefer suburban, which is fine, but Uptown is really interesting to visit.

Another place to visit is oak Cliff, on the other side of the Trinity River canyon from downtown. Great restaurants there.
Awesome, thank you for the advice. And we have yet to explore any other of Down Town but look forward to doing so! We were only on that side for a trip to the Aquarium and dinner at 560 in the Reunion tower. took the time to walk around the area. I'm glad to hear the rest of downtown isnt like that.

As for Deep Ellum, good to hear its improving, we have to go there May 11th for a concert at the "Trees". The google map image do not look appealing, but would not miss the concert for the world.

As for Oak Cliff, its kinda funny, one of the first rules of Metro living we were told was "if it has Oak in the name, you dont go there". Still, thank you for the advice, we'll take a spin by all of this eventually as we learn new places.

Another place we were recently at was the Executive Airport for flying lessons That was very fun.
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Old 03-10-2015, 12:41 PM
 
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As for Oak Cliff, its kinda funny, one of the first rules of Metro living we were told was "if it has Oak in the name, you dont go there". Still, thank you for the advice, we'll take a spin by all of this eventually as we learn new places.
Wow, what terrible advice. North Oak Cliff embodies just about everything I love in Dallas. Rolling hills, beautiful trees, non chain restaurants and an population who is actively trying to build a walkable, connected place.
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Old 03-10-2015, 12:46 PM
 
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Wow, what terrible advice. North Oak Cliff embodies just about everything I love in Dallas. Rolling hills, beautiful trees, non chain restaurants and an population who is actively trying to build a walkable, connected place.
It doesn't look like Frisco, though. If the OP thought downtown was crusty, just wait till he sees parts of Oak Cliff.

FWIW, I don't think NOC is scary or crusty. But the OP might.
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Old 03-10-2015, 12:48 PM
 
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Awesome, thank you for the advice. And we have yet to explore any other of Down Town but look forward to doing so! We were only on that side for a trip to the Aquarium and dinner at 560 in the Reunion tower. took the time to walk around the area. I'm glad to hear the rest of downtown isnt like that.

As for Deep Ellum, good to hear its improving, we have to go there May 11th for a concert at the "Trees". The google map image do not look appealing, but would not miss the concert for the world.

As for Oak Cliff, its kinda funny, one of the first rules of Metro living we were told was "if it has Oak in the name, you dont go there". Still, thank you for the advice, we'll take a spin by all of this eventually as we learn new places.

Another place we were recently at was the Executive Airport for flying lessons That was very fun.
The area between 35 and 45 in Oak Cliff is rough. North Oak Cliff is nice.
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Old 03-10-2015, 01:06 PM
 
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Wow, what terrible advice. North Oak Cliff embodies just about everything I love in Dallas. Rolling hills, beautiful trees, non chain restaurants and an population who is actively trying to build a walkable, connected place.
It was more of a joke than a serious thing, at least it was said that way.
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Old 03-10-2015, 03:41 PM
 
Location: Houston, Texas
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As for Oak Cliff, its kinda funny, one of the first rules of Metro living we were told was "if it has Oak in the name, you dont go there".
Really? Is this Oak Cliff-phobia still a thing? You're missing out on some great restaurants and street festivals in the Bishop Arts District and cool neighborhoods. (You might not to want to live there but it's certainly worth a visit.)

Home - Bishop Arts District

And Oak Lawn, next to Uptown, is extremely desirable these days (not to mention the site of Dallas' biggest Halloween street party.)
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Old 03-10-2015, 03:57 PM
 
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Like I said before, once the Bishop Arts District gets a decent supply of apartments CLOSER (in terms of walking distance) to all of the shops and restaurants, it'll take off even more. It's amazing how much progress has been made.

There are apartments that developers label as "Bishop Arts" but they are 5+ min drives away from the section of Bishop Ave or Davis with all of the shops. That isn't a long drive at all, but I think they need to make the immediate surrounding area more walkable/liveable so more young professionals can live in the area and create more weekday foot traffic. Magnolia Bishop Arts apartments are a 5-7 minute walk away, excellent location.

Parking in that area is awful. The BAD is more of a "park your car, go walk around for a bit and then drive back home" type of place right now, not necessarily a "let's go walk down the street and get a coffee" type area.
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Old 03-11-2015, 12:09 AM
 
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Seriously though, I guess I expected the historical areas, (or at least the area around reunion tower) to be much more green, park like, and cleaner.
Why would a historical area of a city be green? Green is the opposite of a city. Green is what you would have before there was a city. The most historical parts of a city are the parts that first changed from green to buildings.

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