How are people not outraged?? (Denton, Grapevine: buying a house, homebuyer, schools)

[luv my dayton]

If it is a real issue for you look to another area. I wouldn't pay good money then worry around the clock on what is. Many nice places to live. Fracking does pollute and all's you have to do read up on it. Look at Va,W Va.

[brainofjjj]

Originally Posted by parrotheadtexan

Thank you kingdomcome1! There was this saying I remember hearing when I was a kid, something about not messing with Texas. It's really nice to know there are people out there that feel the same.

I'm glad everyone hates litter as much as the originators of this saying.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don%27t_Mess_with_Texas

[elan]

"How are people not outraged?? "

I think you should stay in MN, we are going to slide off into the Gulf of Mexico any day now.

[fiberpills]

Originally Posted by brainofjjj

I'm glad everyone hates litter as much as the originators of this saying.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don%27t_Mess_with_Texas

You're not wrong to point that out, but kingdomcome1 has a point. If you're going to move somewhere new, it would benefit you to learn what is the norm there. Even if you decide to be edgy and different, knowing what is "typical" is still a good frame of reference.

It's like moving to Beijing, China and then complaining that there's air pollution.

[JimBaker488]

Originally Posted by SouthernBelleInUtah

I would not buy there. Although the state refuses to accept the evidence, it seems apparent to many scientists that fracking causes earthquakes. Maybe not right under your house, but somewhere nearby where the rocks can't take the stress. What about a leak?

I commend you on how appropriate your use of the word apparent is here. Now you know that it was also apparent to Chicken Little that the "sky was falling". Right ?

[Wittgenstein's Ghost]

Originally Posted by fiberpills

You're not wrong to point that out, but kingdomcome1 has a point. If you're going to move somewhere new, it would benefit you to learn what is the norm there. Even if you decide to be edgy and different, knowing what is "typical" is still a good frame of reference.

It's like moving to Beijing, China and then complaining that there's air pollution.

This sentiment seems misplaced here, though. Hydraulic fracturing in a neighborhood setting isn't exactly inherent to the Texas way of life. There are some neighborhoods that have this going on and some that don't. If a person asked about high HOA fees, would you tell them to stay in MN and not mess with Texas? Or would you tell them to look for another neighborhood?

[fiberpills]

Originally Posted by Wittgenstein's Ghost

This sentiment seems misplaced here, though. Hydraulic fracturing in a neighborhood setting isn't exactly inherent to the Texas way of life. There are some neighborhoods that have this going on and some that don't. If a person asked about high HOA fees, would you tell them to stay in MN and not mess with Texas? Or would you tell them to look for another neighborhood?

The OP seemed very turned off at the thought of oil and gas activity occurring in his/her future neighborhood. I think it's fair to say that Texas has always been a well known oil and gas state, and its prosperous economy and rapid growth are attributable to the industry.

In line with the "Don't Mess with Texas" line of thought (taking it at literal value and not its actual history about littering), the idea is that Texans don't want people coming in from outside states with their nanny finger waving around about there being drill pads near residences. To someone not used to the industry, drill sites can be scary things, especially with a lot of the negative propaganda that has been popularized.

But those who have lived in oil and gas states for more than a decade will tell you that, if anything, drill pads are a sign that the state economy is doing well. For the amount of capital required to actually setup a site to drill, when it happens then it means money is being made and jobs are being filled.

Let's face the facts - To produce oil and gas, you have to drill where there is oil and gas under ground. It would be NICE if this was always out in the middle of nowhere like Midland or Odessa, but it is where it is. If the E&P company buys the mineral rights, does all the survey work, pays the permits, and plays the game per the rules, then the drill pad is a temporary thing until they can cap the wellhead and make a very inconspicuous well site. The people who work at these companies don't want eye sores just as much as the next person, so the entire goal is to get the product out of the ground, then clean up, and move onto the next thing.

We're not talking about some NIMBY level power plant stuff here that ends up being a permanent eye sore.

Here's a good video showing what happens at one of these sites:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvRCYLnVWG8

[parrotheadtexan]

Originally Posted by brainofjjj

I'm glad everyone hates litter as much as the originators of this saying.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don%27t_Mess_with_Texas

Bless your heart

[Wittgenstein's Ghost]

Originally Posted by fiberpills

The OP seemed very turned off at the thought of oil and gas activity occurring in his/her future neighborhood. I think it's fair to say that Texas has always been a well known oil and gas state, and its prosperous economy and rapid growth are attributable to the industry.

In line with the "Don't Mess with Texas" line of thought (taking it at literal value and not its actual history about littering), the idea is that Texans don't want people coming in from outside states with their nanny finger waving around about there being drill pads near residences. To someone not used to the industry, drill sites can be scary things, especially with a lot of the negative propaganda that has been popularized.

But those who have lived in oil and gas states for more than a decade will tell you that, if anything, drill pads are a sign that the state economy is doing well. For the amount of capital required to actually setup a site to drill, when it happens then it means money is being made and jobs are being filled.

Let's face the facts - To produce oil and gas, you have to drill where there is oil and gas under ground. It would be NICE if this was always out in the middle of nowhere like Midland or Odessa, but it is where it is. If the E&P company buys the mineral rights, does all the survey work, pays the permits, and plays the game per the rules, then the drill pad is a temporary thing until they can cap the wellhead and make a very inconspicuous well site. The people who work at these companies don't want eye sores just as much as the next person, so the entire goal is to get the product out of the ground, then clean up, and move onto the next thing.

We're not talking about some NIMBY level power plant stuff here that ends up being a permanent eye sore.

Here's a good video showing what happens at one of these sites:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvRCYLnVWG8

First, Texas hasn't always been known as a state with drill sites in neighborhoods. That is a relatively new thing. Second, some Texans don't want drill pads near their residences. You can debate all you want about the merits of that view, but the point is that the OP is not necessarily a square peg in a round hole on this issue. The entire city of Denton voiced similar concerns with their municipal election.

[Telegan]

Originally Posted by fiberpills

It's like moving to Beijing, China and then complaining that there's air pollution.

Or moving to Dallas and finding it's in the top 10 in the US in terms of air pollution and then complaining ...