Texas Rangers New Stadium Thoughts (Dallas, Arlington: build, place, climate)

[hornraider]

They do have the Max. It goes from UTA to Centreport Station, with 1 measley stop on Collins. I've taken it a couple times, ridership seemed high, but needs way more stops.

I read somewhere that The T in F.W. may expand into Arlington.

Here is the info on the Max:
Metro ArlingtonXpress

[tcualum]

Originally Posted by FJB327

I disagree with OPs opinion on location. It turned out to be a great location. Both large cities must sacrifice. FW ppl are less willing to drive to Dallas to take in a game. There's huge money on the city's west side. Huge money in the county's NE burbs.

Both counties have approx 2 million people. The medium income for an individual and a family is higher in Tarrant County vs Dallas County. The cost of living is also less.

So with those things considered, it's not surprising that they chose to stay in Arlington. FW population growth is outpacing Dallas and the two cities will have the same population numbers +- 200k within the next couple of decades. I'm also willing to bet that baseball, although not as popular as football, is a very huge deal in Tarrant County.

Ill be attending more games in the new stadium and I'd like to thank the residents of Arlington for contributing money for the cause.

Actually, people who live in Fort Worth are more willing to drive to Dallas than vice versa. As for sports, I know a lot more Fort Worth residents who have season tickets to the Rangers than to the Cowboys and it's the same in Arlington. Fort Worth residents though are much more interested in TCU sports than they are in pro teams. I don't ever see a pro team making it in Fort Worth since TCU baseball and football are such big draws. The basketball team sucks but they just renovated the Coliseum where they play and got a new coach so I wouldn't be surprised if there's a big push to improve basketball recruiting on the horizon.

I'm on Nextdoor with more than 30 other Arlington neighborhoods. While I don't have official polling numbers I know that the vast majority of the members of my Nextdoor group are furious about the sneaky way the mayor is trying to get the new stadium. The mayor is up for reelection next year. The consensus is that the only reason the mayor is doing this now is because he wants to say during the mayoral race that he got the Rangers to stay without raising taxes. The truth is that to do this he's continuing a tax that's set to expire and this doesn't need to be discussed for several years because the Rangers' lease on the Ballpark doesn't expire until 2024.

[FJB327]

Originally Posted by tcualum

Actually, people who live in Fort Worth are more willing to drive to Dallas than vice versa. As for sports, I know a lot more Fort Worth residents who have season tickets to the Rangers than to the Cowboys and it's the same in Arlington. Fort Worth residents though are much more interested in TCU sports than they are in pro teams. I don't ever see a pro team making it in Fort Worth since TCU baseball and football are such big draws. The basketball team sucks but they just renovated the Coliseum where they play and got a new coach so I wouldn't be surprised if there's a big push to improve basketball recruiting on the horizon.

I'm on Nextdoor with more than 30 other Arlington neighborhoods. While I don't have official polling numbers I know that the vast majority of the members of my Nextdoor group are furious about the sneaky way the mayor is trying to get the new stadium. The mayor is up for reelection next year. The consensus is that the only reason the mayor is doing this now is because he wants to say during the mayoral race that he got the Rangers to stay without raising taxes. The truth is that to do this he's continuing a tax that's set to expire and this doesn't need to be discussed for several years because the Rangers' lease on the Ballpark doesn't expire until 2024.

There's no statistical way to prove that ppl in FW are more willing to drive to Dallas than vice versa. I've lived in both cities. While in Dallas, I never ventured to FW. But in FW, I venture to Dallas simply because that's what I know. I think ppl in Dallas don't see a reason to come to FW. I don't blame them at all and I wouldn't even say they are missing anything but FW is the better city. I'd liken FW to the decent looking girl with an awesome personality. Not a head turner but marriage material nonetheless. Dallas is the head turner, gorgeous broad whose beauty is barely more than skin deep. Sure a glimmer of inner beauty comes through every now and then but for the most part, it's external attractiveness has no relation to essential quality.

FW ppl understand that they have to eventually travel to Dallas for a few things that they would otherwise miss: Mavericks/Stars games, State Fair, etc. There's really nothing that huge in FW drawing in Dallas people.

I agree that Pro Sports wouldn't survive in FW but I wouldn't say its bc TCU. I would say it's bc the pro teams are just next door in Arlington. People in FW have a lot of pride about their city. They'd be loyal fans similar to what you see in OKC. If Dallas had a pro baseball team in the Mesquite area, FW could handle a pro baseball team. If Chicago and the Bay area can handle it, so can DFW. Cowboys are way too popular to have another NFL team. Basketball is definitely not popular enough in FW to ever consider placing a team there. FW sports fans are huge supporters of Rangers/Cowboys 1st, TCU 2nd, Baylor 3rd.

[TheOverdog]

There's no statistical way to prove that ppl in FW are more willing to drive to Dallas than vice versa.

Of course there is. That's what surveys and statistics are for.

If Chicago and the Bay area can handle it, so can DFW.

Chicago can't really handle two teams. The Cubs are the draw, the White Sox average half as much, are typically in the bottom half of the league in attendance, and haven't lead in attendance since 1990. SF also really can't handle two teams, the Giants are the draw, and Oakland averages half as much and haven't lead the league in attendance since 1992.

LA does well with two teams, NY does well with two teams, and Washington & Baltimore are barely acceptable.

So basically to totally support 2 baseball teams, DFW's population would have to nearly double.

Even with the heat, the Rangers do well in attendance, typically near the top of the league.

[FJB327]

DFW and Chicago are two diff animals. Baseball is bigger here. There is a relation between an area's youth baseball participation to the area's pro team attendance. People who watch baseball or attend the games are more likely than other sports to have played it or experienced it on a personal level.

There's also more TX pride. I would bet money that if dallas had a pro team in an eastern burb, fw could handle its own pro baseball team.

It's a pointless debate though. Rangers are in a perfect location in the middle of the metro and aren't going anywhere. The FW side's population is growing fast. DFW will be the 3rd most populated metro before you know it. FW is projected to have 1.49m ppl in the next 20years. Dallas will have 1.53m. Aledo and Weatherford (fw western burbs that love baseball too) are growing fast. Arlington is the best location for the entire metro. TX are "the cities" of the future. We are all in a great spot!

[tcualum]

I doubt MLB would give Fort Worth a baseball team after the Fort Worth Cats flopped.

[beerandon]

Originally Posted by tcualum

I doubt MLB would give Fort Worth a baseball team after the Fort Worth Cats flopped.

The whole league flopped....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_League_Baseball

[jdallas]

updated analysis on how horrible of a deal this would be for Arlington:


The Texas Rangers' Ballpark Scam Is Even Worse Than We Thought

[EDS_]

Originally Posted by jdallas

updated analysis on how horrible of a deal this would be for Arlington:


The Texas Rangers' Ballpark Scam Is Even Worse Than We Thought

That is essentially the worst source of information and commentary possible. Why not National Lampoon next time?

I'm hoping Arlington rejects the proposal and The Rangers end up somewhere around downtown Dallas in a few years. But that piece is just garbage.

[jdallas]

Originally Posted by EDS_

That is essentially the worst source of information and commentary possible. Why not National Lampoon next time?

I'm hoping Arlington rejects the proposal and The Rangers end up somewhere around downtown Dallas in a few years. But that piece is just garbage.

WFAA the worst source? Didn't realize Brett Shipp and Mark Smith were considered the Abbott and Costello of journalism but okay.