Grocery Store closest to HEB style in Dallas? (Houston, San Antonio: safe, Walmart)

[dallasboi]

Originally Posted by citidata18

I'm not certain about that. We're strictly talking about regular mainline grocery stores like H-E-B (not gourmet grocers).

In addition to the regular mainline grocery stores Houston has (DFW's equivalent to Randall's is Tom Thumb), DFW also has:

*Market Street
*WinCo Foods
*Albertsons

DFW also has way more Super Target stores than Houston, adding to the competition.

I've also heard DFW is the #1 market in the country for both Kroger and Walmart. They're not giving up that title easily, and H-E-B knows it.

I TOTALLY agree with this too....which proves the edge that Dallas has in that category.

In addition to what you said.... here is a yelp list of the top 10 major grocery chains in Dallas.

https://www.yelp.com/search?find_des...c=Dallas%2C+TX

[ParaguaneroSwag]

Originally Posted by citidata18

I'm not certain about that. We're strictly talking about regular mainline grocery stores like H-E-B (not gourmet grocers).

In addition to the regular mainline grocery stores Houston has (DFW's equivalent to Randall's is Tom Thumb), DFW also has:

*Market Street
*WinCo Foods
*Albertsons

DFW also has way more Super Target stores than Houston, adding to the competition.

I've also heard DFW is the #1 market in the country for both Kroger and Walmart. They're not giving up that title easily, and H-E-B knows it.

This doesn’t make it more competitive. It actually makes it less competitive. Dallas is far from the number one market (by numbers, not ranking) While as you mention it is easily the number one market for those. This makes those gorillas over the competition. Meaning get it easily far less competitive

HEB forces Walmart and Kroger to be better or die. That being said, I don’t think this is where that consensus comes from. I think people generally like Houston’s grocery more because of the international aspect. That and H-E-B at least. This is why people generally prefer Houstons grocery experience over Dallas. Even though I don’t think the H-E-B thing is as important because Texans Rav about it way too much

[citidata18]

Originally Posted by dallasboi

I TOTALLY agree with this too....which proves the edge that Dallas has in that category.

In addition to what you said.... here is a yelp list of the top 10 major grocery chains in Dallas.

https://www.yelp.com/search?find_des...c=Dallas%2C+TX

I wouldn't exactly describe it as an "edge." Having a lot more grocery store options when they're all average or mediocre is nothing to brag about.

I'd give up both WinCo and Albertsons (or even Tom Thumb) in a heartbeat if it meant getting H-E-B.

[citidata18]

Originally Posted by ParaguaneroSwag

This doesn’t make it more competitive. It actually makes it less competitive. Dallas is far from the number one market (by numbers, not ranking) While as you mention it is easily the number one market for those. This makes those gorillas over the competition. Meaning get it easily far less competitive

HEB forces Walmart and Kroger to be better or die

The bolded is my point about how competitive DFW's market is.

It's relatively easier for (compared to the big national chains, a small store like) H-E-B to compete with *ONLY* Kroger and Walmart than having to compete with:

*Kroger
*Walmart

AND

Albertsons
Market Street
WinCo Foods

[jiping]

Most groceries stores in DFW are also modernized and you can order pickup/delivery almost for free. That's before the covid thing. I have used online ordering at Amazon, Whole Foods, Tom Thumb, Kroger, Walmart, Market Street, Central Market.
This is unthinkable in many other areas and people have to use third-party delivery services.

[ParaguaneroSwag]

Originally Posted by citidata18

The bolded is my point about how competitive DFW's market is.

It's relatively easier for (compared to the big national chains, a small store like) H-E-B to compete with *ONLY* Kroger and Walmart than having to compete with:

*Kroger
*Walmart

AND

Albertsons
Market Street
WinCo Foods

I agree with your second point. DFW has more going on shopping wise than people give credit. What I was disagreeing with was about Walmart and Kroger being so big in DFW and that making it more competitive. This isn’t true, if anything it would be reverse. Those two have a big presence almost everywhere. The competition comes from the regional stores, not the giants. HEB to Texas, Publix to Florida.

The hispanic grocers like Michoacana and Fiesta also have a much bigger impact than you’d think. Back then, hispanic groceries werent as accesible and Walmart and Kroger placed a hefty price with a small selection in hispanic groceries. As well as Asian. This has changed dramatically

[citidata18]

Originally Posted by ParaguaneroSwag

I agree with your second point. DFW has more going on shopping wise than people give credit. What I was disagreeing with was about Walmart and Kroger being so big in DFW and that making it more competitive. This isn’t true, if anything it would be reverse. Those two have a big presence almost everywhere. The competition comes from the regional stores, not the giants. HEB to Texas, Publix to Florida.

It does make it more competitive in the sense that H-E-B wold have to work much harder to de-throne them in DFW than they have in Houston, Austin and San Antonio.

I should note BTW, when H-E-B entered Houston, Walmart was barely a factor.

[ParaguaneroSwag]

Originally Posted by citidata18

It does make it more competitive in the sense that H-E-B wold have to work much harder to de-throne them in DFW than they have in Houston, Austin and San Antonio.

I should note BTW, when H-E-B entered Houston, Walmart was barely a factor.

But it doesn’t make it more competitive.

To your second paragraph, I addressed this earlier. Houston’s Store competition at the time that HEB entered was far less competitive than DFW today. However, today Houston have much fiercer competition. Were a new corporate giant to enter HOU, they have to go up against More brand competing for the top then DFW. What you say about Walmart and Kroger being so big is anti-competition not pro competition.

[ParaguaneroSwag]

Now, I do agree that having one or two giant control a market makes it harder for other to get in. But competition is the wrong term here. It’s actually the opposite problem. Competition is win multiple Giants are fighting for control on a market. Which is the case in Houston at least when compared to Dallas.

7 Eleven taking so long to enter the Houston market is often pointed to a similar thing as you mention with YHEB hasn’t entered DFW yet. The convenience store market was heavily controlled by shell, Exxon, Conoco, and some other. When they started selling their stores, 7-Eleven Took advantage of this and entered the market. They opened like 100 overnight.

[serger]

Originally Posted by ParaguaneroSwag

Incase you don’t underestand how conversations work, a topic is brought up, people discuss overtime and topics evolve. The topic here was pages deep before mentioning specialty shops. At the point it was Brought up, we were talking about shopping experience overall. So either you haven’t been keeping up or you’ve never participated in a conversation.

After a 14 hour drive, no energy for any of this, so I'll go with whatever.