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Old 09-24-2019, 05:51 PM
 
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She was a cop. Facing a big person who was refusing to follow instructions. By the book response.

Off duty ... is she not subject to the same laws as the rest of us while off duty?

 
Old 09-24-2019, 06:23 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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Off duty ... is she not subject to the same laws as the rest of us while off duty?
Nope - Cops, particularly in uniform, are never off duty and they are not bound by the same rules.
 
Old 09-24-2019, 06:25 PM
 
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She was a cop. Facing a big person who was refusing to follow instructions. By the book response.
This is an honest question, but... really? Not listening to a cop justifies shooting? Legally? They don't have to be an active threat?
 
Old 09-24-2019, 07:14 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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This is an honest question, but... really? Not listening to a cop justifies shooting? Legally? They don't have to be an active threat?
Perceived by the cop as an active threat.

The cop was wrong in this case and that is what the trial is about. If it had been the cops apartment there would be no trial.
 
Old 09-24-2019, 08:31 PM
 
Location: Texas
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She was a cop. Facing a big person who was refusing to follow instructions. By the book response.
She was off duty and he had no obligation to "follow instructions" when she broke into his own home for no reason. She had no authority over him, period.

I can't believe I'm even having to explain this.
 
Old 09-24-2019, 08:43 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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She was off duty and he had no obligation to "follow instructions" when she broke into his own home for no reason. She had no authority over him, period.

I can't believe I'm even having to explain this.
You should not explain it. You do not understand. She was wrong. But she was still a cop and peace officer or whatever the local jargon is.

She made a tragic error. But I think anything criminal will be a tough sell.

We shall see.
 
Old 09-24-2019, 08:45 PM
 
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Originally Posted by PriscillaVanilla View Post
She was off duty and he had no obligation to "follow instructions" when she broke into his own home for no reason. She had no authority over him, period.

I can't believe I'm even having to explain this.
That's for sure wrong on one count and probably two.

1. She didn't break in.
2. Her argument, in part, will be that she did have authority. We'll see how it goes.
 
Old 09-24-2019, 08:49 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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It is very sad in a way. If his door had locked it would never have happened. Going to be fascinating to see if that was done deliberately by him or the door was broken.

If the door was defective does the building owner have liability? Could be.
 
Old 09-24-2019, 09:21 PM
 
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What's extra gross about all this to me is the irrelevant personal stuff being pulled in.

The fact that she was having a relationship with a co-worker isn't a good look, but I can hardly see that it was the reason she acted the way she did or relevant at all.

Also the fact that he was smoking pot. Not relevant and sucks to have his name dragged in the mud.

Both seem so reaching. And voyeuristic.

They should have gone for manslaughter. Murder doesn't make sense.
 
Old 09-24-2019, 09:27 PM
 
Location: Texas
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You should not explain it. You do not understand. She was wrong. But she was still a cop and peace officer or whatever the local jargon is. .
She was off-duty. Off-duty cops can't go into someone's home and make them "follow commands."
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