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Old 08-12-2021, 11:09 AM
 
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Originally Posted by EonBlueSyZ View Post
In the last week, 3 people have died from COVID in Dallas County.

I'd bet my entire life savings that at least 3 people have died in auto accidents in Dallas County in the last week.
I'm sure additional lives could be saved if we reduced speed limits across the nation.

I agree with your point though, this is all media driven fear at this point. Tuberculosis kills 1.5 million people (mostly in South/Southeast Asia) per year and nobody bats an eye. However, COVID cases/deaths go up in India and all of a sudden the world is sending their 'thoughts and prayers'. Yes it's tragic when people die of disease, but where was the sympathy/assistance all the other years when people were dying of other diseases?

 
Old 08-12-2021, 11:31 AM
 
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Yea, no. Three is the Dallas Co. 7-day trailing average through Aug. 10. Four people died of covid on Aug. 10 FE.

A spike in deaths will trail the spike in hospitalizations by about 2 weeks. In other words your argument is terrible on multiple fronts.
https://tabexternal.dshs.texas.gov/t...tal=y&:embed=y

3 deaths in Dallas County in the last 7 days.
 
Old 08-12-2021, 11:34 AM
 
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I'm sure additional lives could be saved if we reduced speed limits across the nation.

I agree with your point though, this is all media driven fear at this point. Tuberculosis kills 1.5 million people (mostly in South/Southeast Asia) per year and nobody bats an eye. However, COVID cases/deaths go up in India and all of a sudden the world is sending their 'thoughts and prayers'. Yes it's tragic when people die of disease, but where was the sympathy/assistance all the other years when people were dying of other diseases?
Vast majority of deaths in accidents involve distracted driving / drunken driving / factors beyond speed.

There was no sympathy or assistance. The entire point of the media / news is to create a hyper-focused issue to beat to death. Gun control, immigration, post office shutting down, voter suppression, covid deaths, whatever the flavor of the day is. Its entire existence is built to get from one story to the next to justify its purpose.

I stopped watching the news years ago and have been infinitely better for it.
 
Old 08-12-2021, 11:37 AM
 
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I'm sure additional lives could be saved if we reduced speed limits across the nation.

I agree with your point though, this is all media driven fear at this point. Tuberculosis kills 1.5 million people (mostly in South/Southeast Asia) per year and nobody bats an eye. However, COVID cases/deaths go up in India and all of a sudden the world is sending their 'thoughts and prayers'. Yes it's tragic when people die of disease, but where was the sympathy/assistance all the other years when people were dying of other diseases?
Negative. UTSW/Parkland have determined TB efforts as DFW sees a surprising number of TB cases - in other words people who know what's going on do bat and eye over TB locally. At one time Parkland had an entire hospital focused on TB.

Further, multiple US based efforts mitigating TB, malaria, dengue fever, typhus, yellow fever, hookworms, plague and many others are in play across the world.

WHO, with all its problems, has spearheaded decades long efforts to squelch TB.


https://www.utsouthwestern.edu/resea...e-tb-code.html

https://www.utsouthwestern.edu/newsr...-bacteria.html

https://www.who.int/teams/global-tub...nd-tb-strategy

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It's also a deep swim into the waters of faulty logic comparing covid-19 to anything else at this point. We simply don't know where this disease is going to take us. We do know that is it a public health nightmare in The US unlike anything we've faced in at least 100 years.

A new disease that causes or greatly contributes to 600,000+ US deaths in roughly 18 months demands focus, attention and countervailing efforts......not false equivalencies and whateverisms. Not to mention absurd claims that this is all about media driven fear.
 
Old 08-12-2021, 11:40 AM
 
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https://tabexternal.dshs.texas.gov/t...tal=y&:embed=y

3 deaths in Dallas County in the last 7 days.
Your link does not back up your claim.

If you are trying to claim zero deaths per days not yet updated that's simply not reality.


https://usafacts.org/visualizations/.../dallas-county
 
Old 08-12-2021, 11:45 AM
 
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Your link does not back up your claim.

If you are trying to claim zero deaths per days not yet updated that's simply not reality.
I'm not claiming zero deaths per days. I'm claiming there are 3 deaths in the last 7 days, exactly as the dashboard shows.

Filter to Dallas County, filter to last 7 days, you get 3 total deaths.

Either

a) you're lying,
b) the data is incorrect and further confirms why people don't trust what's being reported,
c) the definition of terms is not what a person would expect (e.g. it says new fatalities but it actually means a 7 day moving average or something else. I also looked at the definition page here: https://dshs.texas.gov/coronavirus/DataDefinitions.aspx and it's exactly what I've said it is),
d) some combo of the above.

Edit: it's actually 8, not 3. The bars are so small / hard to read that I downloaded the data as a csv file and it confirmed 8.

My larger point remains, despite the fact the actual number is 5 larger.
 
Old 08-12-2021, 12:11 PM
 
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Negative. UTSW/Parkland have determined TB efforts as DFW sees a surprising number of TB cases - in other words people who know what's going on do bat and eye over TB locally. At one time Parkland had an entire hospital focused on TB.

Further, multiple US based efforts mitigating TB, malaria, dengue fever, typhus, yellow fever, hookworms, plague and many others are in play across the world.

WHO, with all its problems, has spearheaded decades long efforts to squelch TB.


https://www.utsouthwestern.edu/resea...e-tb-code.html

https://www.utsouthwestern.edu/newsr...-bacteria.html

https://www.who.int/teams/global-tub...nd-tb-strategy
There is no media driven fear behind these diseases, so people carry on their day to day lives normally, was my point.

The flu is also a big deal for people who work in these same hospitals, but there is no fear porn surrounding the flu, so the general public just dismisses it as 'just the flu', even though it is actually a deadly and highly contagious virus that kills tens of thousands of Americans every year. But the media doesn't tell us to fear the flu, so we don't.

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It's also a deep swim into the waters of faulty logic comparing covid-19 to anything else at this point. We simply don't know where this disease is going to take us. We do know that is it a public health nightmare in The US unlike anything we've faced in at least 100 years.

A new disease that causes or greatly contributes to 600,000+ US deaths in roughly 18 months demands focus, attention and countervailing efforts......not false equivalencies and whateverisms. Not to mention absurd claims that this is all about media driven fear.
At this point, I believe fears are mostly media driven. I'm not saying to dismiss COVID entirely, I'm saying encourage vaccines and present the data so people can be informed and make rational decisions.

The media has overblown the severity of this virus to the point where some people are still deathly afraid of their children under 12 getting this disease. I believe that fear is not based on data, it's based on media driven fear.
 
Old 08-12-2021, 12:24 PM
 
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That's the Pro Life movement.... My body my choice until it comes to dictating to you.

I got my vaccines but agree with you that this should be voluntary for masks and vaccines. Cheap masks are useless (especially for children wearing all day at school) and people know the risks of not being vaccinated. 97% of the people recover as if it's a mild flu and the people who die are the elderly and people with health issues. The people who recover then have natural immunities.

Covid, like the flu is going to be with us for a very long time. Right now, I'm not willing to get a "Booster" shot every 6-12 months or stay in a perpetual state of fear.
People do NOT know the risks of not being vaxed because the GOP (Rand Paul for example and Ted Cruz in our own state) and major media figures like Tucker Carlson and OAN/Fox are spreading more misinformation about CoVid than facts.
At least admit that the GOP has a huge stake in keeping up this false front

You might be one of the few conservatives who vaxxed. (And I am glad to hear you did!)
Millions more won’t consider it at all.
 
Old 08-12-2021, 12:35 PM
 
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People do NOT know the risks of not being vaxed because the GOP (Rand Paul for example and Ted Cruz in our own state) and major media figures like Tucker Carlson and OAN/Fox are spreading more misinformation about CoVid than facts.
At least admit that the GOP has a huge stake in keeping up this false front
What are the false facts they have been saying ?
 
Old 08-12-2021, 12:57 PM
 
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People do NOT know the risks of not being vaxed because the GOP (Rand Paul for example and Ted Cruz in our own state) and major media figures like Tucker Carlson and OAN/Fox are spreading more misinformation about CoVid than facts.
At least admit that the GOP has a huge stake in keeping up this false front

You might be one of the few conservatives who vaxxed. (And I am glad to hear you did!)
Millions more won’t consider it at all.

Your ongoing disdain for anyone right of you noted it is interesting that along the educational continuum the most vaccine hesitant group by far, Ph.D holders, hardly a FOX watching or Trump voting group. Another vaccine hesitant group.............black Americans again not Fox watchers nor Trumpers generally.
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