Hillstone in Dallas Won't Allow Employees to Wear Masks (sales, salon)

[TurtleCreek80]

Originally Posted by numbersguy100

I think it depends on whether unemployment office follows up. A certain pie shop in Bishop Arts called the unemployment office and gave them social security numbers of people they offered to come back to work. Problem is they were going to be paid so little that unemployment paid them substantially more and some decided not to come back. As soon as the owner called and said technically they had an offer of employment, those benefits went away.

Oh that is really sh$tty. And another place whose food I love. We have a Father Christmas pie every year

[numbersguy100]

Originally Posted by TurtleCreek80

Oh that is really sh$tty. And another place whose food I love. We have a Father Christmas pie every year

She is/was in a tough spot - she laid people off, then got money in the first round of PPP. And I think she was worried that if they all didn’t come back to work, the SBA loan wouldn’t be forgiven. I don’t know what I would have done, if I were in her place. I love their pies, but I don’t love the woman who owns it (that sentiment pre-dates this situation, to be clear).

[Wittgenstein's Ghost]

Originally Posted by El Titere

All she had to do was use the same amount of money on payroll. If they didn't want the hours, she can give them to someone else - on top of it, the PUA benefits do not impact UI tax rates for employers.

What she did was out of spite and/or stupidity.

She also has to maintain headcount. I'm sure she could have done this, but that is also a requirement.

[NTXPerson]

Is this Emporium Pies?

[Wittgenstein's Ghost]

Originally Posted by El Titere

Maintain FTE you mean - different calculation.

Yes, very good point.

[TurtleCreek80]

Originally Posted by El Titere

It does stop UI, but does not stop the federal PUA benefits that overlay on top. Under section 2012 of the CARES act, there are exceptions for this type of case.

Good to know, thanks.

[TurtleCreek80]

Originally Posted by numbersguy100

She is/was in a tough spot - she laid people off, then got money in the first round of PPP. And I think she was worried that if they all didn’t come back to work, the SBA loan wouldn’t be forgiven. I don’t know what I would have done, if I were in her place. I love their pies, but I don’t love the woman who owns it (that sentiment pre-dates this situation, to be clear).

PPP had good intentions but the June 30/ 8 week timeframe to rehire and maintain 75% of prior payroll is tough. Clearly was written before people realized some businesses won’t be opening until June, July, or summer 2021 (some summer camps).

[carrcollie]

This isn't about the restaurant's image.

It's about their politics and their Trump-ism.

I won't go to their restaurant and will not waste my money there. Most restaurants in DFW area have horrible customer service anyway. Treat their customers like garbage. NO thanks. I have better things to do with my cash.

[Philip T]

Originally Posted by El Titere

What she did was out of spite and/or stupidity.

Figuring we should call this the Stupid Virus.

Not sure whether Virus creates the Stupid, or it just brings it to the surface to see, but the Stupid seems to be a key feature, at least in the US Variation.

[stan4]

Originally Posted by El Titere

Ideally, it’ll be self-correcting.

Maybe.
But it'll take a lot of innocents with it.