Hillstone in Dallas Won't Allow Employees to Wear Masks (house, live)

[turf3]

Company management need to be arrested and tossed in the hoosegow for violating public health regulations.


We need to get serious about this stuff. If economics requires people to be back at work, their employers need to be REQUIRED to put safety as the number one priority. That means enforcement. Some of these characters may talk a different game after 72 hours in the drunk tank downtown.


When are our public health officers going to grow some you know whats?

[Wittgenstein's Ghost]

Originally Posted by TurtleCreek80

PPP had good intentions but the June 30/ 8 week timeframe to rehire and maintain 75% of prior payroll is tough. Clearly was written before people realized some businesses won’t be opening until June, July, or summer 2021 (some summer camps).

Yeah, my business has sort of shifted to paying employees to work on special long-term projects. I'm in the tutoring world, so that means people who were sales people are now filming videos, writing curriculum, etc. It isn't immediately revenue-generating, but it at least puts them to work (on the PPP tab) and creates long-term growth prospects. Not all businesses can do that, though. If you're a restaurant or bakery that has a 20 FTE headcount, you can't really utilize 20 people to make social media posts or come up with new recipes.

[biafra4life]

Originally Posted by turf3

Company management need to be arrested and tossed in the hoosegow for violating public health regulations.


We need to get serious about this stuff. If economics requires people to be back at work, their employers need to be REQUIRED to put safety as the number one priority. That means enforcement. Some of these characters may talk a different game after 72 hours in the drunk tank downtown.


When are our public health officers going to grow some you know whats?

Here's the problem when everyone is clamoring to reopen now.

The expense of having to provide extra cleanings, PPE, reduced volume due to social distancing. All of this is going to be too heavy a financial burden when you are talking about small businesses which in most cases already had super tight margins BEFORE this covid-19 hit. So you can expect a lot of violations of the guidelines. At the end of the day, people are going to do whatever helps their bottom line. The "greater good" doesnt pay the bills. This is why having this under control before reopening would have been the best route long term for everyone. But it's done. My advice? stay out of any non essential businesses until this has died down, because these businesses are going to put their profits above your well being. This doesnt make them bad people. Just human, trying to make a buck to feed their families.

[turf3]

Originally Posted by biafra4life

Here's the problem when everyone is clamoring to reopen now.

The expense of having to provide extra cleanings, PPE, reduced volume due to social distancing. All of this is going to be too heavy a financial burden when you are talking about small businesses which in most cases already had super tight margins BEFORE this covid-19 hit. So you can expect a lot of violations of the guidelines. At the end of the day, people are going to do whatever helps their bottom line. The "greater good" doesnt pay the bills. This is why having this under control before reopening would have been the best route long term for everyone. But it's done. My advice? stay out of any non essential businesses until this has died down, because these businesses are going to put their profits above your well being. This doesnt make them bad people. Just human, trying to make a buck to feed their families.

What makes them bad people is forbidding their employees to wear masks. Lock 'em up!

[biafra4life]

Originally Posted by turf3

What makes them bad people is forbidding their employees to wear masks. Lock 'em up!

This is one of the reasons everyone needs to pay attention to some legislation currently being pushed by Republicans in Congress. They want to pass legislation that would indemnify all businesses. In plain English, if you go back in to work (let's say at a meat packing plant for example) and come down with the virus, the employer cannot be sued in court. If this passes, watch all the efforts at disease control go out the window. The fear of liability is probably the biggest reason why many businesses are still not reopening right now. Remove this and they would probably all reopen tomorrow and as for the workers well...hope like Trump says, it's just the flu and nothing more!

[lpepping]

Originally Posted by biafra4life

This is one of the reasons everyone needs to pay attention to some legislation currently being pushed by Republicans in Congress. They want to pass legislation that would indemnify all businesses. In plain English, if you go back in to work (let's say at a meat packing plant for example) and come down with the virus, the employer cannot be sued in court. If this passes, watch all the efforts at disease control go out the window. The fear of liability is probably the biggest reason why many businesses are still not reopening right now. Remove this and they would probably all reopen tomorrow and as for the workers well...hope like Trump says, it's just the flu and nothing more!

I don't think some businesses (specifically restaurants and similar) would abandon disease control efforts if this passed. The social media backlash would ruin most restaurants if they were found to be a source of people getting sick. But I do agree that other types of businesses that don't interact with the public much would drop the ball.

[KerrTown]

Harris County is very tepid about implementing things that will tick off the GOP in the state government. (The other populous major counties can get away with such things due to their population and size.) The mask veto is the latest example.

Dallas County just experienced the state's wrath with Harris County recently with the salon owner. Even the Texas
Supreme Court weighed in. The governor retroactively rolled back his order. Something is fishy here!

[DPatel304]

Originally Posted by biafra4life

Here's the problem when everyone is clamoring to reopen now.

The expense of having to provide extra cleanings, PPE, reduced volume due to social distancing. All of this is going to be too heavy a financial burden when you are talking about small businesses which in most cases already had super tight margins BEFORE this covid-19 hit. So you can expect a lot of violations of the guidelines. At the end of the day, people are going to do whatever helps their bottom line. The "greater good" doesnt pay the bills. This is why having this under control before reopening would have been the best route long term for everyone. But it's done. My advice? stay out of any non essential businesses until this has died down, because these businesses are going to put their profits above your well being. This doesnt make them bad people. Just human, trying to make a buck to feed their families.

How are you defining having this 'under control'? Wasn't the goal to flatten the curve, which we seemed to have done.

[Sunbather]

Flattening the curve was only the near term goal. A step #1 if you will. We came back from behind to tie the game in the first quarter...and then called it a victory.

[DPatel304]

Originally Posted by Sunbather

Flattening the curve was only the near term goal. A step #1 if you will. We came back from behind to tie the game in the first quarter...and then called it a victory.

I don't agree with your analogy.

The only goal has been to flatten the curve, which we easily did here in Texas. We were so good at flattening the curve that one of the temporary hospitals we had ready in Dallas never got used, and our leaders believe that we can re-open the economy while still keeping the curve 'flat' (i.e. not overruning the hospitals).

So yes, given the circumstances, this is what victory looks like. It's not what everyone wants to hear, but this is our reality until there is a vaccine or cure.