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Old 09-13-2020, 09:28 PM
 
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It may be harder to find this info for Plano unless you know some of the top Plano students. But top students in plano ALL want to go to a top 20 University out of State. They wear it as a badge of honor because all their friends are shooting for these top schools. And you'll see a bunch of Ivy League and of course a bunch of other top 20 universities represented every year (Except for Acadamy HS, tiny niche school).
If this is a high priority, presumably you'd want to look into private schools.

As for the US News rankings, US colleges are so diverse it's silly to compare schools without accounting for the student's intended major. You don't choose Columbia over Caltech for an engineering degree, and you don't choose Georgetown over NYU for a finance degree for example.
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Old 09-13-2020, 10:52 PM
 
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If you look at the US News rankings, 19 of the top 20 "national universities" are private. UT Austin ranks 48 on their list.


Quesiton for Peter: How do you know there are more kids admitted from Plano to elite colleges than from the other districts you mention? Outside of Vals and Sals is any of this information published ?
Yeah, usnews has Berkeley outside the top 20, which is completely nonsensical.
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Old 09-13-2020, 10:54 PM
 
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If this is a high priority, presumably you'd want to look into private schools.

As for the US News rankings, US colleges are so diverse it's silly to compare schools without accounting for the student's intended major. You don't choose Columbia over Caltech for an engineering degree, and you don't choose Georgetown over NYU for a finance degree for example.
Exactly.
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Old 09-13-2020, 11:54 PM
 
Location: Plano, TX
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Not sure about the newest rankings but either US News or Newsweek had UT ranked higher gloablly than nationally. It think that nicely underscores who crazy silly these rankings really are.
US News is in the business of selling magazines. Their global rankings are more based upon metrics like research, etc. Being that there's less incentive to move schools to sell magazines for the international versus US rankings, I find it more reliable (but then again, I could be perceived as biased). Most people are looking for shortcuts to thinking for themselves. It definitely shows up in hiring practices when my resume may be viewed for 10-15 seconds.

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If this is a high priority, presumably you'd want to look into private schools.

As for the US News rankings, US colleges are so diverse it's silly to compare schools without accounting for the student's intended major. You don't choose Columbia over Caltech for an engineering degree, and you don't choose Georgetown over NYU for a finance degree for example.
Unfortunately, a lot of people (perhaps heavily influenced by their parents and/or peers) will make those choices. When they are choosing based upon "status/prestige" instead of "field". People want to be around rich people and make connections, not study, and have an easy life.
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Old 09-14-2020, 10:00 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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If your kids are not among of the top students (ie: you do not expect them to be in the running for valedictorian/top 10%) then all the schools are equal.

I think this is very accurate. It is quite difficult to measure "school quality" or something similar. But if you look at metrics such as "College Ready" (a measure on Texas TAPR reports that indicates the number of students that scored above certain levels on SAT/ACT, etc.) and average SAT/ACT score all of the schools in question are quite similar and most of the variation is explained by demographic variations.

Looking at a few of the metrics (I threw in JJ Pearce just for fun as well)

College Ready %:

Allen: 72%
Frisco High School: 68% (I only looked at one High School in Frisco)
Plano Senior: 65%
Plano East: 65%
Plano West: 79%
JJ Pearce: 65%


SAT/ACT:

Allen: 1202/25.1
Frisco: 1212/25.7
Plano Senior: 1201/25.4
Plano East: 1226/26.1
Plano West: 1274/27.1
JJ Pearce: 1206/22.8


Controlling for demographics somewhat you can look at just White Students and you see the results look a little different:

SAT/ACT for White Students:

Allen: 1191/24.9
Frisco: 1245/26.8
Plano Senior: 1213/25.9
Plano East: 1237/26.3
Plano West: 1242/26.5
JJ Pearce: 1262/26.2



I just don't see a lot of evidence that the average student is going to have dramatically different outcomes from any of these schools (even Woodrow Wilson in Dallas ISD looks very similar to Allen on these metrics for just White students).

For me, I think any differences are going to be related to the individual student and their interests/aptitude. That could be related to specific programs or variations available due to the size of the school (once significant difference between Allen/Plano and Frisco/Pearce with the former having much larger enrollment per grade).
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Old 09-14-2020, 10:54 AM
 
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There is a very interesting data point published by UT which shows the acceptances and yield from each high school that sends students to UT Austin:


https://utexas.app.box.com/s/5bg76rt...551qqsdnrm6ryd


If someone had the time and inclination you could check this data against the class sizes at the various schools. As an example, Allen got 107 admits to UT in 2018 (About 1200 graduates? ) while Plano West had 213 admits (also about 1200 graduates?)
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Old 09-14-2020, 02:18 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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There is a very interesting data point published by UT which shows the acceptances and yield from each high school that sends students to UT Austin:


https://utexas.app.box.com/s/5bg76rt...551qqsdnrm6ryd


If someone had the time and inclination you could check this data against the class sizes at the various schools. As an example, Allen got 107 admits to UT in 2018 (About 1200 graduates? ) while Plano West had 213 admits (also about 1200 graduates?)
I checked a few of the ones discussed. I am not sure how much this tells us as there are a lot of variables (do top students apply to UT or are they focused on higher prestige schools, do less qualified applicants even bother, etc.), but it is interesting nonetheless.

% of graduating class admitted to UT:

Allen - 7.1%
Frisco - 8.3% (this is for Frisco High School, it looks like that is representative of most Frisco HS with the exception of Liberty which is roughly twice this number)
Prosper - 4.9%
Plano East - 9.1%
Plano West - 15.6%
Plano Senior - 8.3%
JJ Pearce - 6.5%
Woodrow Wilson - 7.4%

Plano West is notable and closer to Coppell (16.7%) or HP (18%).
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Old 09-14-2020, 02:40 PM
 
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I checked a few of the ones discussed. I am not sure how much this tells us as there are a lot of variables (do top students apply to UT or are they focused on higher prestige schools, do less qualified applicants even bother, etc.), but it is interesting nonetheless.

% of graduating class admitted to UT:

Allen - 7.1%
Frisco - 8.3% (this is for Frisco High School, it looks like that is representative of most Frisco HS with the exception of Liberty which is roughly twice this number)
Prosper - 4.9%
Plano East - 9.1%
Plano West - 15.6%
Plano Senior - 8.3%
JJ Pearce - 6.5%
Woodrow Wilson - 7.4%

Plano West is notable and closer to Coppell (16.7%) or HP (18%).

This was my basic thought, thanks for the numbers .. At 15% admitted to UT that is a lot of "holistic admits" over and above the 7% or 5% or whatever the cutoff is these days.
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Old 09-14-2020, 03:34 PM
 
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At Woodrow that 7.4% admitted to UT are the tippy top students. At Plano West they're average. From Greenhill or St. Mark's they're attending UT for other reasons than that's the best they could get into.
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Old 09-15-2020, 11:16 AM
 
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New U.S. News rankings came out yesterday:
#16. Rice
#42. UT-Austin
#66. SMU, Loyola Marymount, George Washington, TX A&M, Fordham, UMass, WPI and Minnesota.
#76. Baylor, American, IU and Yeshiva
#80. TCU, Denver, BYU, Stevens Institute, Michigan State, NC State, Howard and Gonzaga.
#97 Auburn
#133. OU
#143. Alabama, UTD
#160. Arkansas and Ole Miss.
#176. UH, Louisville and Washington State.
#187. OK State
#217. TX Tech

Florida public universities seem to be improving. Class sizes, graduation rates, resources spent per student, access and support for Pell Grant students and "reputation" weigh heavily.
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