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Old 01-13-2022, 11:38 AM
 
Location: Yankee loves Dallas
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According to a study released by the DPD:

https://lakewood.advocatemag.com/road-rage-murders/
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Old 01-13-2022, 12:42 PM
 
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That’s nuts. Maybe DPD should enforce some traffic laws.
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Old 01-13-2022, 01:09 PM
 
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People with guns in the car are, ironically, more likely to engage in hostile behavior and road rage (maybe that's not ironic and is actually expected....depends on perspective). I'm a moderate on gun control, but the whole "guns save lives because the good guys have them, too" argument cuts both directions. Worked up, angry, people who are otherwise "good guys" can suddenly increase the consequences of their in-the-moment decisions when a gun is at hand.

Any discussion of guns and public safety is an issue of competing interests. But it's clear that an increasing number of guns available to people when they are in a state of rage is real public safety issue.


https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/f...outh-and-guns/
https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...22103117302111
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Old 01-13-2022, 01:28 PM
 
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People with guns in the car are, ironically, more likely to engage in hostile behavior and road rage (maybe that's not ironic and is actually expected....depends on perspective). I'm a moderate on gun control, but the whole "guns save lives because the good guys have them, too" argument cuts both directions. Worked up, angry, people who are otherwise "good guys" can suddenly increase the consequences of their in-the-moment decisions when a gun is at hand.

Any discussion of guns and public safety is an issue of competing interests. But it's clear that an increasing number of guns available to people when they are in a state of rage is real public safety issue.


https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/f...outh-and-guns/
https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...22103117302111
Good post. Normal, rational people can still make bad decisions when extremely angry and in possession of a gun. I'm pretty certain that a sizable chunk of road rage shootings are done by people who no one would describe as career criminals. Folks make bad decisions in the heat of the moment and having a gun can increase the consequences of those decisions.

I'm not sure what the solution is at this point, either. Road rage has been an issue in this state for a long time, even before the spate of recent, more permissive gun laws.
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Old 01-13-2022, 01:36 PM
 
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People with guns in the car are, ironically, more likely to engage in hostile behavior and road rage (maybe that's not ironic and is actually expected....depends on perspective). I'm a moderate on gun control, but the whole "guns save lives because the good guys have them, too" argument cuts both directions. Worked up, angry, people who are otherwise "good guys" can suddenly increase the consequences of their in-the-moment decisions when a gun is at hand.

Any discussion of guns and public safety is an issue of competing interests. But it's clear that an increasing number of guns available to people when they are in a state of rage is real public safety issue.


https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/f...outh-and-guns/
https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...22103117302111
That's one way to look at it. Another, and this is not incongruent because in TX. road rage murder = a murder charge, is in 2020 Texas LTC holders were convicted of 3 murders statewide. Roughly the same numbers apply going back since LTC/CHL became a reality.


https://www.dps.texas.gov/sites/defa...report2020.pdf


Bad guys will always find a way to carry a gun. So will I.


ETA so far as the links you provided. When I carry I behave like choir boy.
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Old 01-13-2022, 01:39 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Wittgenstein's Ghost View Post
People with guns in the car are, ironically, more likely to engage in hostile behavior and road rage (maybe that's not ironic and is actually expected....depends on perspective). I'm a moderate on gun control, but the whole "guns save lives because the good guys have them, too" argument cuts both directions. Worked up, angry, people who are otherwise "good guys" can suddenly increase the consequences of their in-the-moment decisions when a gun is at hand.

Any discussion of guns and public safety is an issue of competing interests. But it's clear that an increasing number of guns available to people when they are in a state of rage is real public safety issue.


https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/f...outh-and-guns/
https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...22103117302111
I tend to agree with this line of thinking. I’m a hunter and generally anti-most gun restrictions, but there are absolutely people who don’t belong anywhere near a gun. I’m not sure if there’s any practical way of enforcing this, but I don’t think that guns necessarily make everyone safer.

I would, however, disagree with the “otherwise good guys” line of thinking re road rage. No reasonable gun owner, I hope, would just randomly whip out their glock when slighted on the road. I think the group of people pulling out guns in road rage incidents fall into the aforementioned group who doesn’t belong anywhere near one
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Old 01-13-2022, 01:45 PM
 
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That's one way to look at it. Another, and this is not incongruent because in TX. road rage murder = a murder charge, is in 2020 Texas LTC holders were convicted of 3 murders statewide. Roughly the same numbers apply going back since LTC/CHL became a reality.


https://www.dps.texas.gov/sites/defa...report2020.pdf


Bad guys will always find a way to carry a gun. So will I.


ETA so far as the links you provided. When I carry I behave like choir boy.
Wow. I wasn’t aware of these statistics, but these are shocking. It just shows what a problem secondhand gun sales/thefts are. I know reputable gun stores are incredibly strict about background checks, trying to identify obvious straw purchases etc but there’s no way to monitor where the gun goes after the initial sale. Hence why I too will carry and keep firearms in my house
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Old 01-13-2022, 03:06 PM
 
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Wow. I wasn’t aware of these statistics, but these are shocking. It just shows what a problem secondhand gun sales/thefts are. I know reputable gun stores are incredibly strict about background checks, trying to identify obvious straw purchases etc but there’s no way to monitor where the gun goes after the initial sale. Hence why I too will carry and keep firearms in my house
I'm old enough to vividly remember one side of the political aisle shrieking that CHL/LTC-holders in TX would cause blood on the streets, huge upticks in crime and general mayhem. Same thing with the new campus carry rules. Same with the new no-CHL rules.

To your point I don't know what to do about BGs carrying either. Defunding the police certainly won't help. Taking my firearms won't help. Demonizing the AR-15 won't help.

What we can't get away from is the long known fact that roughly 92-95% of serious violent crimes are committed by about 2% of young males. And this 2% is nearly always engaged in ongoing criminal activity often for life.


Also,

https://www.dps.texas.gov/section/ha...nviction-rates
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Old 01-13-2022, 03:19 PM
 
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I'm old enough to vividly remember one side of the political aisle shrieking that CHL/LTC-holders in TX would cause blood on the streets, huge upticks in crime and general mayhem. Same thing with the new campus carry rules. Same with the new no-CHL rules.

To your point I don't know what to do about BGs carrying either. Defunding the police certainly won't help. Taking my firearms won't help. Demonizing the AR-15 won't help.

What we can't get away from is the long known fact that roughly 92-95% of serious violent crimes are committed by about 2% of young males. And this 2% is nearly always engaged in ongoing criminal activity often for life.


Also,

https://www.dps.texas.gov/section/ha...nviction-rates
These statistics deserve underscoring. I agree on your points about the policy decisions re gun control. There seems to only be competence/knowledge regarding firearms on one side of the debate right now (see links below). I won’t pretend to have answers for gun violence, but tougher sentencing laws for gun crimes and illegal carrying of firearms would be a start.

I wouldn’t call myself super conservative - more of a contrarian, if anything - but it is fun to skewer some of my more liberal friends on gun facts/laws/statistics when they start shrieking about guns.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill...ar-vests%3famp

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnb...over-guns.html
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Old 01-13-2022, 04:09 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Well, at least the discussion veered toward a real issue, gun policy (of which I'm generally dismissive of the likely effectiveness of gun control efforts, which would only empower black marketeers). I figured there'd instead be a bunch of whiners complaining about people who drive too slow on the freeways and streets and somehow deserved to be raged upon.
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