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Old 03-02-2022, 10:00 AM
 
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I wasn't talking about quality, I was talking about quantity. No doubt the one or two location New England ice cream places are way better than the chains. But "tons" of places in Dallas? Not really.
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Old 03-02-2022, 12:37 PM
 
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I wasn't talking about quality, I was talking about quantity. No doubt the one or two location New England ice cream places are way better than the chains. But "tons" of places in Dallas? Not really.
FWIW, there is an ice cream shop on every major intersection in my part of Dallas. We have Howdy Homemade, a Baskin Robbins, a gelato shop, I Heart Yogurt, a new sweets shop that also scoops gelato just opened, an old fashion milkshake counter, etc. We definitely lack a good donut shop though - there’s only one and it’s not that good. I still drive to Mustang Donuts when we get them.
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Old 03-02-2022, 03:29 PM
 
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I never understood their business model and no wonder I'm not in DONUT business lol

Given how expensive it's to rent a shop and keep it open for less than 8hrs a day. How can someone make a living out of donut shop? Someone who understands their business model may help understand from $$$ prospective.

OP's question pops up in my mind every single day on my way to work when I see 10+ local DONUT shops and most of them have no cars in their parking lot.
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Old 03-03-2022, 08:15 AM
 
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Given how expensive it's to rent a shop and keep it open for less than 8hrs a day.
First we have to decide if it's expensive to rent a shop. That's relative. You can get a 5000 sq ft stand-alone restaurant (think former Chilis) in a prime strip mall in a nice suburb for about $5000 a month according to the biggest commercial property sale/leasing site. And that's a really brave company willing to commit to a rent where most say 'negotiable', which means less per month. So do the math: a 1000 sq ft donut shop in a old strip mall is going to be $1000-$1500 a month in rent. Then the cost of materials to make doughnuts is low, and the equipment to make doughnuts is cheap.



Also the hours are 5am-12 or 1pm. That's open 8 hours.


Also I don't mean to imply they are great businesses, but $60-$80k a year is probably doable and plenty probably are failing because running any restaurant is hard.
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Old 03-03-2022, 09:55 AM
 
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I missed the DONUT shops when we moved away from Texas. The chains are usually inferior (particularly Dunkin.. I have no idea what the appeal of that place is). It's interesting to me that they almost operate like a franchise. Similar no-frills branding and the donuts all taste the same no matter where you are in DFW.

You might not see a huge crowd but go when they first open up and again at 10:30 and you'll see that they've sold out of hundreds or thousands of donuts.
I couldn't agree more regarding Dunkin. I consider myself a bit of a donut connoisseur, and I think Dunkin has perhaps the worst donuts of any place I've been. They are too dense, and they are particularly bad when not fresh (all donuts are better fresh, but Dunkin's seem to be especially bad when a couple hours old).

I much, much prefer the Asian-run "Donut" places in strip centers. They aren't always top notch, but when you find a good one, they are hard to beat. Some people just like chains for some reason.
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Old 03-03-2022, 10:41 AM
 
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I couldn't agree more regarding Dunkin. I consider myself a bit of a donut connoisseur, and I think Dunkin has perhaps the worst donuts of any place I've been. They are too dense, and they are particularly bad when not fresh (all donuts are better fresh, but Dunkin's seem to be especially bad when a couple hours old).

I much, much prefer the Asian-run "Donut" places in strip centers. They aren't always top notch, but when you find a good one, they are hard to beat. Some people just like chains for some reason.
I agree with this 1,000%
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Old 03-03-2022, 10:51 AM
 
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But "tons" of places in Dallas? Not really.
I'm in Dallas county and have 3 amazing custom ice cream shops (henrys, tongue n check, sweet firefly) all within 5 minutes with a 4th shop opening at the end of the year. Guess I'm in a lucky part of town ? (I assumed Dallas area is pretty solid for ice cream and sweets)
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Old 03-03-2022, 10:53 AM
 
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I couldn't agree more regarding Dunkin. I consider myself a bit of a donut connoisseur, and I think Dunkin has perhaps the worst donuts of any place I've been. They are too dense, and they are particularly bad when not fresh (all donuts are better fresh, but Dunkin's seem to be especially bad when a couple hours old).

I much, much prefer the Asian-run "Donut" places in strip centers. They aren't always top notch, but when you find a good one, they are hard to beat. Some people just like chains for some reason.
We're a little bit on the health nut side so we don't eat donuts often. However, the owners of the little donut place at Forest and Inwood survived Pol Pot's killing fields - actually escaping a detention camp.......so he gets my business on general principle.

FWIIW I don't get the Dunkin thing either even their coffee is stupendously overrated. Bootleg, third rate Costa Rican Tarrazu is way better. Real Tarrazu is magnitudes better.
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Old 03-03-2022, 10:54 AM
 
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First we have to decide if it's expensive to rent a shop. That's relative. You can get a 5000 sq ft stand-alone restaurant (think former Chilis) in a prime strip mall in a nice suburb for about $5000 a month according to the biggest commercial property sale/leasing site. And that's a really brave company willing to commit to a rent where most say 'negotiable', which means less per month. So do the math: a 1000 sq ft donut shop in a old strip mall is going to be $1000-$1500 a month in rent. Then the cost of materials to make doughnuts is low, and the equipment to make doughnuts is cheap.



Also the hours are 5am-12 or 1pm. That's open 8 hours.


Also I don't mean to imply they are great businesses, but $60-$80k a year is probably doable and plenty probably are failing because running any restaurant is hard.
I still don't see it being a sustainable business model. The shop near me has only 4-5 varieties of donuts, two types of kolaches, and sells basic coffee. The day that I made this post, I went into one of the shops around 10am and the case was pretty full. Normally I would expect the case to be close to empty that close to closing time.

Chains like Shipley's or Krispy Kreme survive because they charge higher prices, have a large selection of donuts, and people recognize the name.

I've never seen as many donut shops as I see in DFW, so I guess people in other cities also don't think it's a sustainable business model.
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Old 03-03-2022, 11:17 AM
 
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Chains like Shipley's or Krispy Kreme survive because they charge higher prices, have a large selection of donuts, and people recognize the name.

I've never seen as many donut shops as I see in DFW, so I guess people in other cities also don't think it's a sustainable business model.

Krispy Kreme opened a bunch of shops in DFW and now they are almost all closed. There's like 1 per city. So I disagree with you there. Also, most US cities with large Asian populations have a large number of local donut stores, not just DFW.
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