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Old 04-10-2022, 12:04 PM
 
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You're confusing a decline in athletic performance with a decline in athletic participation. The life lessons you mention are a product of participating and trying hard, not a product of winning state championships.

I was a college baseball player and lettered in multiple sports in high school. I'm not anti-sport in any way. But the idea that a high school competing at the top level of the most competitive sport in a state somehow benefits its academic program to the point that the school can justify spending this kind of money on the sport is silly. I think I learned life lessons through sports, but I also think my grades were worse because of sports. If you expand this to the college level, this point is undebatable. College football and basketball players almost always take easier tracks and end up with less useful degrees due to their participation in sports (but to be fair, in many cases they would never have been admitted to the school if it weren't for athletics).
Totally agree with this!
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Old 04-10-2022, 12:04 PM
 
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You're confusing a decline in athletic performance with a decline in athletic participation. The life lessons you mention are a product of participating and trying hard, not a product of winning state championships.

I was a college baseball player and lettered in multiple sports in high school. I'm not anti-sport in any way. But the idea that a high school competing at the top level of the most competitive sport in a state somehow benefits its academic program to the point that the school can justify spending this kind of money on the sport is silly. I think I learned life lessons through sports, but I also think my grades were worse because of sports. If you expand this to the college level, this point is undebatable. College football and basketball players almost always take easier tracks and end up with less useful degrees due to their participation in sports (but to be fair, in many cases they would never have been admitted to the school if it weren't for athletics).
I agree on the point about participation, but something like that stadium could draw more participants. Again, I don’t think it’s the best use of funds, but I also don’t view it as just lighting money on fire. And if parents are making decisions about their kids’ schooling based on athletics (which I think is silly) stuff like this could possibly draw in more families.

I agree 100% on the grade boost being non-existent or negative at the college level. In high school, it can vary a lot by kid. I was comfortably above the eligibility cutoff and still focused on grades in my more enjoyable classes, but the classes I didn’t like suffered.
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Old 04-10-2022, 02:37 PM
 
Location: Wylie, Texas
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You're confusing a decline in athletic performance with a decline in athletic participation. The life lessons you mention are a product of participating and trying hard, not a product of winning state championships.

I was a college baseball player and lettered in multiple sports in high school. I'm not anti-sport in any way. But the idea that a high school competing at the top level of the most competitive sport in a state somehow benefits its academic program to the point that the school can justify spending this kind of money on the sport is silly. I think I learned life lessons through sports, but I also think my grades were worse because of sports. If you expand this to the college level, this point is undebatable. College football and basketball players almost always take easier tracks and end up with less useful degrees due to their participation in sports (but to be fair, in many cases they would never have been admitted to the school if it weren't for athletics).

This.
I use to tutor athletes while in college. I knew of at least a couple of football players, one who wanted to major in engineering and the other who wanted to go pre-med. They were both "strongly encouraged" to ditch those majors and get general business degrees instead, mainly because the majors they wanted would have taken too much time away from football.
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Old 04-10-2022, 02:45 PM
 
Location: Wylie, Texas
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A substantial decline in athletics would absolutely have a negative impact. Sports teach a ton of useful life lessons, including hard work, responsibility, and teamwork. They're also a great way for kids in high school to make friends and socialize. I would argue that they also can benefit academics to a certain extent - most sports teams have fairly stringent grade requirements. A dramatic slash in athletic focus/participation, even at mini-college football programs like Allen, would have a negative effect
If this benefit is true, then why havent the elite privates gone this route? No, as private schools they cannot raise money the same way the publics can, but a St Marks for example could certainly hit up its millionaire and billionaire alumni to raise $35 million for a state of the art football stadium.
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Old 04-10-2022, 03:58 PM
 
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If this benefit is true, then why havent the elite privates gone this route? No, as private schools they cannot raise money the same way the publics can, but a St Marks for example could certainly hit up its millionaire and billionaire alumni to raise $35 million for a state of the art football stadium.
It isn't as much of a priority for the people there, and they don't need to drum up attention through sports since they have other things they can use as a selling point
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Old 04-11-2022, 06:35 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth, TX
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This.
I use to tutor athletes while in college. I knew of at least a couple of football players, one who wanted to major in engineering and the other who wanted to go pre-med. They were both "strongly encouraged" to ditch those majors and get general business degrees instead, mainly because the majors they wanted would have taken too much time away from football.
That's a shame. My DH had a football player in his engineering class. It was difficult for him but he prioritized football and engineering over anything else and somehow made it work.
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Old 04-11-2022, 08:15 AM
 
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My DH had a football player in his engineering class.
There were several football players in my b-school programming classes at Texas Tech; I work with quite a few former college football players in my tech job, and there were 2 former NFL players in my grad school classes at SMU. They both did fine. I think the lame-o majors are maybe only for the very best players, and not everyone can handle a full-time sports schedule and school (or a full-time job and school - that's equally as hard for many).
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Old 04-17-2022, 09:37 AM
 
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For a balance of academics and athletics it’s Highland Park and Southlake by a mile. Plano West has the academics nailed down but not so much the sports.
I would say Plano West has both nailed correctly. Now to just cancel high school sports completely. It should not be funded with tax dollars in any way, shape or form.
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Old 04-17-2022, 11:14 AM
 
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I would say Plano West has both nailed correctly. Now to just cancel high school sports completely. It should not be funded with tax dollars in any way, shape or form.
You quoted the wrong person as I believe I said that however Plano West isn;'t close. Go look at Lone Star Cup standings. Plano West not even top 27.
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Old 04-17-2022, 08:06 PM
 
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If this benefit is true, then why havent the elite privates gone this route? No, as private schools they cannot raise money the same way the publics can, but a St Marks for example could certainly hit up its millionaire and billionaire alumni to raise $35 million for a state of the art football stadium.
Bounded rationality is in play.......SMS given its tiny size and unless it were to actively recruit and scholarship players and waive academic requirements will never be "good" at football in Texas parlance. Plus a great crowd might total maybe 1,000 people.
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