Would people move to Texas if it were an independent nation? (2013, to live)

[theloneranger]

Actually the postulate of this thread does not mention peaceful seperation in the slightest. It simply states "would people move to Texas if it were an independent nation?"

I believe that the scenario would never happen in any manner, be it peaceable or not. Any secession movement which actually got to the point of declaring independence would in fact be a violent movement because the federal government usually doesn't enjoy it when you steal its property.

Would people move there? It really depends on trade conditions. Most of the people who are anti-American enough to want to leave the USA wouldn't fit in culturally in Texas. Texas' isn't likely to survive without American trade, and Texas likely wouldn't have Mexican trade if the USA had an embargo against. If those things somehow didn't happen, Texas would have a pretty good economy and would be attractive to immigrants. However, Texas is likely not going to be particularly pro-immigrant.

But as it will never happen it's really rather irrelevant.

[galore]

Originally Posted by aceplace

BTW, you'd better be careful about all this anti-Texas talk. The Texas Bureau of Investigation has ways of making you confess.

Joking about torture isn't particularly intelligent.

[getmeoutofhere]

Originally Posted by galore

Joking about torture isn't particularly intelligent.

Torture is awesome. All the grown-up governments are doing it.

[aceplace]

Originally Posted by theloneranger

Actually the postulate of this thread does not mention peaceful seperation in the slightest. It simply states "would people move to Texas if it were an independent nation?"

I believe that the scenario would never happen in any manner, be it peaceable or not. Any secession movement which actually got to the point of declaring independence would in fact be a violent movement because the federal government usually doesn't enjoy it when you steal its property.

Would people move there? It really depends on trade conditions. Most of the people who are anti-American enough to want to leave the USA wouldn't fit in culturally in Texas. Texas' isn't likely to survive without American trade, and Texas likely wouldn't have Mexican trade if the USA had an embargo against. If those things somehow didn't happen, Texas would have a pretty good economy and would be attractive to immigrants. However, Texas is likely not going to be particularly pro-immigrant.

But as it will never happen it's really rather irrelevant.

As I've said before, you're unable to predict the future. If you choose to believe there will be a United States 1,000 years from now, and that the Territory of Texas will be a part of it, that is your privilege (or delusion), but you have no way to know if it will happen.

The postulated circumstances... Texas has become independent through peaceful negotiation, has joined NAFTA and NATO. This has occurred through the emergence of vast societal changes that are as different from our current times as the rise of democracy was in the 18th century.

It's a very stupid blunder to assume that the present circumstances are eternal, that change will never happen.

[aceplace]

Originally Posted by galore

Joking about torture isn't particularly intelligent.

Who said anything about torture? I would assume that the Texas version of the FBI would employ sweet reason and logic to disabuse someone of their delusions. The Lone Ranger would probably be thankful his interrogation ended so well.

Saddam Hussein's chief interrogator was proud of the fact that he obtained a confession from the head of the Iraqui Communist Party without any form of physical coercion. He just staged a beer drinking session and wouldn't let him use the bathroom until the confession was in writing.

[theloneranger]

Originally Posted by aceplace

As I've said before, you're unable to predict the future. If you choose to believe there will be a United States 1,000 years from now, and that the Territory of Texas will be a part of it, that is your privilege (or delusion), but you have no way to know if it will happen.

The postulated circumstances... Texas has become independent through peaceful negotiation, has joined NAFTA and NATO. This has occurred through the emergence of vast societal changes that are as different from our current times as the rise of democracy was in the 18th century.

It's a very stupid blunder to assume that the present circumstances are eternal, that change will never happen.

Those circumstances which you insist on weren't postulated by anyone other than yourself. You are the ONLY person who is arguing that scenario, which is just not possible.

[aceplace]

Originally Posted by theloneranger

Those circumstances which you insist on weren't postulated by anyone other than yourself. You are the ONLY person who is arguing that scenario, which is just not possible.

Anything is possible.

Not only is anything possible, it will happen sooner or later.

It doesn't appear so from the topic list, but I actually originated this thread. My initial posts were lost somehow. I posted the starting assumptions in the second post, which included a proviso that the separation would come about through peaceful, nonviolent means. Which makes sense. Who in their right mind would provoke a military confrontation with the United States? Not only would the separation be nonviolent, it would end with a degree of good will on both sides.

Ranger, I don't have to argue the postulate, or explain why it happened. The thread is not about what is historically likely. It is about the possible gain or loss of population in an independent Texas. How it became independent, and without ill will or bloodshed, is beside the point.

[getmeoutofhere]

Originally Posted by aceplace

Not only is anything possible, it will happen sooner or later.

It WILL happen? Really?

[theloneranger]

Originally Posted by getmeoutofhere

It WILL happen? Really?

I gave up...he thinks artsyguy is an accurate source of information.

[FueledByBlueBell]

I'm assuming they'd take away the choice from women completely, yank science from our schools (ok, ok, they'd "replace it") and our infrastructure would go to pooh.