04-26-2007, 06:55 PM
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Back to the religious aspect of this thread, what's odd to me are people that fear religion. I have to say something about this because I often see people say grace here in public and that seems to creep some people out...
But why ?
There are also people that see a cross mounted on a hill or 'In God We Trust' on a crest and formulate that to be the roots of a new Christian movement.
And we can't say the pledge and mention "one nation under God" any more ?
Have we went off the deep end.
Heck, I grew up with all these things as part of my life and I didn't run off into the woods to start my own cult. What are we afraid of ?
Maybe this dates back to the time where people were burned to death for being witches, not sure. Or perhaps there is a parallel to be drawn to the numerous gory wars that have been faught over religion...
Does it really have to be all or nothing ? Can't we acknowledge that our way of life and value system in the US is founded upon christian values, even if we do not attend church regularly.
This topic interest me because I'm old enough now to have seen a shift in the way people think about religion/faith.
04-26-2007, 07:01 PM
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Back to the religious aspect of this thread, what's odd to me are people that fear religion. I have to say something about this because I often see people say grace here in public and that seems to creep some people out...
But why ?
There are also people that see a cross mounted on a hill or 'In God We Trust' on a crest and formulate that to be the roots of a new Christian movement.
And we can't say the pledge and mention "one nation under God" any more ?
Have we went off the deep end.
Heck, I grew up with all these things as part of my life and I didn't run off into the woods to start my own cult. What are we afraid of ?
Maybe this dates back to the time where people were burned to death for being witches, not sure. Or perhaps there is a parallel to be drawn to the numerous gory wars that have been faught over religion...
Does it really have to be all or nothing ? Can't we acknowledge that our way of life and value system in the US is founded upon christian values, even if we do not attend church regularly.
This topic interest me because I'm old enough now to have seen a shift in the way people think about religion/faith.
I never even realized it was an issue till I began reading this forum. I guess I don't get out much.
(My hometown, Lubbock, was always referred to as "the buckle" on the Bible Belt!)
04-26-2007, 07:10 PM
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You also have to remember that forums in general tend to present one side of the story, normally the negative one.
Maybe because you think about things alot more when your forced to write about them. That writing in turn tends to create false assumptions.
For the most part, you should really take what you read here with a grain of salt....there is no substitute for coming here and experiencing the area first hand. Heck, just look at the breadth of housing opptions that are offered here....I still find it somewhat alarming that people are reading these forums and making major decisions about where to live without actually spending some time living here.
04-26-2007, 07:34 PM
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I wouldn't buy w/o looking in person, but I do feel like I at least have a starting point now, with many of the comments here. I've never even been to TX, so I would have NO idea where to begin in Dallas w/o this forum!
As to the religion posts, I haven't heard anyone say anything negative about religion, at least not on this thread! I just said I hadn't seen crosses on lawns. Not that it scared me--just that I haven't seen it.
The "god we trust thing" . It's an issue for some b/c of the separation of church and state. Same with the Pledge. I imagine you know that, but yeh...that's the issue. Would you want your children standing up and pledging "under Allah?" If it's not your belief, probably not. Same goes for everyone who isn't Christian, as well as many who are, but who believe in separation of church and state. The "christian values" thing too...there is not one sole set of "christian values"...there are all sorts of values, and people from all different religions, including various sects of Christianity can have them or not...
04-26-2007, 07:36 PM
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>>For the most part, you should really take what you read here with a grain of salt....there is no substitute for coming here and experiencing the area first hand. Heck, just look at the breadth of housing opptions that are offered here....I still find it somewhat alarming that people are reading these forums and making major decisions about where to live without actually spending some time living here.<<
Being a military family, we have always known someone at the next base we got an assignment to get information about the area. This move it's difficult because we know no one in Dallas. Luckily my husband has been working there since January and has driven around and has had a helpful realtor. Getting info from this board is another aspect. I feel posters here, especially mom2 etc, have given some sage information worth considering. But yes, move to a place you will feel comfortable in and a home you like. A place you will be happy. That's what it all boils down to.
04-26-2007, 08:43 PM
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The "god we trust thing" . It's an issue for some b/c of the separation of church and state. Same with the Pledge. I imagine you know that, but yeh...that's the issue. Would you want your children standing up and pledging "under Allah?" ..
If I moved to a Muslim country, I would probably be ok with this, but I'm in our country - my country - where I was born, one founded under christian values (uniform core values, which are a neccessity for any civilized culture). One that has thrived under the premise of christian values but now seeks a letigious state of homogenity that is more concerned with offending someone at an airport than it is at finding a solution for inner city poverty.
And 'one nation under god' does not even have to mean Jesus Christ....God can be any one of your choice, it's a free country. That's the beauty of it.
The seperation of church and state argument tends to get a little abused.
Our forefathers never intended for it to be taken to this extreme.
There are some that simply want to erase anything that makes us an 'individual' and reflects a definitive american culture.
I came from CA, so I have seen first hand the degree to which this argument has been abused. Historic landmarks removed from hills because they symbolized christianity.
We wouldnt want to offend anyone with our heritage now would we.
Maybe one day we can all be the same color, androgenous, pretend to be from the same place, dress the same, say the same politically correct things to one another.
It's coming. Maybe that's what I really like about Texans, they are proud of where they've been and not apologizing to anyone for who they are.
And hey, if your wondering, I haven't been to church since I was 10....some things we're doing to ourselves are simply counter productive as a society.
I have kids, it worries me.
04-27-2007, 06:18 AM
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Well, I resectfully disagree. We are not a Christian nation. There are many Christians living here. Always have been, but we do have separation of church and state (mostly). I don't think it's abused. I don't think it's enforced enough.
Your argument contradicts your point to me. You say one day "Maybe one day we can all be the same color, androgenous, pretend to be from the same place, dress the same, say the same politically correct things to one another. " and yet you want everyone to do things your way, be based on one religion. I live in an area which is not very "christian". There are many colors, many nationalities, many views on many subjects, many religions represented here. Being religiously diverse does not make us all the same.
I also really dislike the "our forefathers never intended" arguments. You don't know what they would have thought any more than anyone else does. They also supported slavery--so maybe they didn't intend for that to end either.
I have kids....keeping religion out of schools does not worry me. It allows each person to decide which religion and how much of it to expose our kids to.
By the way, I'm proud of where I've been and who I am too. I think most people are, Christian or not.
04-27-2007, 08:44 AM
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I believe the "Maybe one day we can all be the same color, androgenous, pretend to be from the same place, dress the same, say the same politically correct things to one another. " comment was meant to be sarcastic.
But Religious debates should be carried out in the Politics and Other Controversies sub forum....
//www.city-data.com/forum/polit...controversies/
04-27-2007, 09:10 AM
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Hey, who's the Moderator here?
GoPadge is correct. If you want to debate religion, this thread will be promptly closed or moved to the other forum.
04-27-2007, 10:07 AM
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I know, we'll stop here.
GoPadge is correct though, my comment was meant to be sarcastic.
Forums are definitely not the best vehicle to discuss things this sensitive.
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People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)