Dayton limping (Cincinnati, Lebanon, New Lebanon: apartment, houses, neighborhoods)

[TomJones123]

Originally Posted by jbcmh81

Those numbers are especially interesting because it seems like other Ohio cities now have higher vacancy rates in the suburbs vs their downtowns, which is the opposite in Dayton.

Dayton's urban core is in trouble, and the region could be compared to a donut - a lot of stuff on the outside and hollowed out in the middle. Obviously, my figure of speech has it's limitations.

I posted the article, even though the title is backhanded, to emphasize a marginal improvement for the urban core. I hope it continues.

[abr7rmj]

Originally Posted by jbcmh81

Those numbers are especially interesting because it seems like other Ohio cities now have higher vacancy rates in the suburbs vs their downtowns, which is the opposite in Dayton.

Dayton has some very nice suburbs. Throw in the fact that downtown Dayton isn't easily accessible by the constantly under-construction mess that is I-75 through downtown, which doesn't help matters either.

My humble opinion: Dayton should raze the hideous Montgomery County fairgrounds and focus on new development there. That's the part of the city - surrounded by UD, Brown Street, UD Arena, Miami Valley hospital, Oakwood, Carillon Park and downtown - that has some good momentum now. Unfortunately the blighted and little-used fairgrounds is a black hole in the middle of all that which serves to temper momentum.

[TomJones123]

Originally Posted by abr7rmj

Someone from Chicago lecturing Dayton on gangs and crime is hysterical.

When I lived in Dayton, I found that a lot of folks to "rejoice" in how bad things are. Not saying it was the case with this lady, but I sure met a lot of people who were almost proud of the crime rate. Also, that news in Dayton is absolutely the worst of anywhere I have lived. There is a common saying when referring to Dayton news and that is "if it bleeds, it leads." That are actually a lot of positive things happening in and around Dayton that never make the news.

[abr7rmj]

Originally Posted by TomJones123

When I lived in Dayton, I found that a lot of folks to "rejoice" in how bad things are. Not saying it was the case with this lady, but I sure met a lot of people who were almost proud of the crime rate. Also, that news in Dayton is absolutely the worst of anywhere I have lived. There is a common saying when referring to Dayton news and that is "if it bleeds, it leads." That are actually a lot of positive things happening in and around Dayton that never make the news.

That's the case everywhere. I worked for years on the copy desk of a newspaper out west, and local violence - particularly murders - were ALWAYS our big stories no matter what else was going on.

And local murders on the front page also were our biggest single-copy sellers. It's what the public wants to read about/hear about, unfortunately. Just listen to WLW's newscasts here. Obviously a single murder of some street punk isn't of importance or relevant to 99.9999 percent of their vast listening audience. But that station will always lead their newscasts with it because that sort of sensational reporting generates positive ratings for them.

[TomJones123]

Originally Posted by abr7rmj

That's the case everywhere. I worked for years on the copy desk of a newspaper out west, and local violence - particularly murders - were ALWAYS our big stories no matter what else was going on.

Ahhh...thanks for the insight. I will say, from my perspective, the news reporting in Cincy vs. Dayton is night and day with Cincy news having a lot more happening besides crime.

[abr7rmj]

Originally Posted by TomJones123

Ahhh...thanks for the insight. I will say, from my perspective, the news reporting in Cincy vs. Dayton is night and day with Cincy news having a lot more happening besides crime.

It's a much bigger city ... there's a lot more going on. But you're right, Channel 7 in Dayton especially is obsessed with crime (and grisly traffic accidents).

[TomJones123]

^^ Oh, WHIO is the worst in the area. Almost morbid.

[motorman]

Originally Posted by abr7rmj

Someone from Chicago lecturing Dayton on gangs and crime is hysterical. Gangs are a problem everywhere - even in rural Nebraska and in tiny Greeley, Colo. To think that Dayton would be immune is naive. But really, outside of Juarez, Mexico, there's nowhere more violent than Chicago on this continent.

It may be untimely to even mention it here, but Dayton has acquired (either justly or unjustly) a reputation for involvement in gang-related drug activities mainly because of the intersection of E/W I-70 with N/S I-75--which supposedly makes the city a convenient location for drug transfers. (I've heard this from numerous former Dayton co-workers of only several years ago.) Good for business, but NOT good business...

[motorman]

Originally Posted by abr7rmj

Dayton has some very nice suburbs. Throw in the fact that downtown Dayton isn't easily accessible by the constantly under-construction mess that is I-75 through downtown, which doesn't help matters either...

Yes, Dayton DOES have quite a few really decent suburbs, and happily to say (for all of our Cin-Day fans, at least) the majority of them are on Dayton's south side and are ever-expanding to eventually be joined with Cincinnati's northernmost suburbs and exburbs. But, as just mentioned, no matter how one might praise I-75 for being the premier freight route it has so long been, it's still not a route for the faint-hearted or someone driving a less-than-perfect vehicle. A terrible place, really, and a route destined to become even worse. (Let's all thank ODOT for that.)

[CarpathianPeasant]

Originally Posted by abr7rmj

Dayton has some very nice suburbs. Throw in the fact that downtown Dayton isn't easily accessible by the constantly under-construction mess that is I-75 through downtown, which doesn't help matters either.

My humble opinion: Dayton should raze the hideous Montgomery County fairgrounds and focus on new development there. That's the part of the city - surrounded by UD, Brown Street, UD Arena, Miami Valley hospital, Oakwood, Carillon Park and downtown - that has some good momentum now. Unfortunately the blighted and little-used fairgrounds is a black hole in the middle of all that which serves to temper momentum.

Should we take it that you have never entered anything in the fair?