Amherst and Yale Area (Dayton, Salem: middle-class, 2014, rent)

[maplelady]

Can anyone tell me about the big plie of a house on this corner ?

Is this area stable, going down hill or resurging ? I see at least one boarded up house in the near vicinity.

I see that all the streets are named after famous schools. I have read some about this area in threads. I see fine old buildings along salem, like what looks to be former temples, etc.

This area reminds me of Bond Hill- Roselawn in Cincy. Would Salem Ave. be the equivelent to Reading Road in Cincy ?

[SWOH]

To be blunt, the area is bad. A lot of gang activity around there. The wealthy population left years ago when all of the surrounding area descended into poverty - the issue an idyllic bedroom community like Southern Dayton View faces.

But, the houses are still beautiful. With enough of a push from the community, it could be reborn back into the Oakwood-esque neighborhood it once was. I'm hoping someday soon I can be a part of that, and buy a house there. But for the average homebuyer, the neighborhood is a challenge.

Keep posted. I think we could be at the cusp of a great turnaround story in this neighborhood in the next 10-20 years, probably after Grafton Hill & Five Oaks come online...

[Dayton Sux]

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Five Oaks isn't coming online anytime soon. This is a declining neighborhood.

This area reminds me of Bond Hill- Roselawn in Cincy. Would Salem Ave. be the equivelent to Reading Road in Cincy ?

Sort of. The history here is more equivilant of what happened to Avondale or the Palmer Park neighborhood in Detroit.

Basically a middle- to upper-middle-class area that suffered the effects of white flight. There are still a lot of more middle-class black people and a few white hold-outs who live there...specifically the area west of Salem and maybe Mnt Vernon neighborhood just east of Salem. But the area is not improving. At best its barely stable (some of the "college" streets west of Salem).

[CarpathianPeasant]

Originally Posted by Dayton Sux

Five Oaks isn't coming online anytime soon. This is a declining neighborhood.

Has declined.

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The Salem avenue area housed much of the Jewish community. For all practical purposes the Jews have left the city.


Five Oaks housed a lump of the Catholic community. The several things that kept them around are gone; so, so are most of them.

[CallMeConservative]

If I had the money, I'd be buying up those beautiful old homes in bad neighborhoods. I think the city is poised for a turnaround. Already manufacturing that moved to China is starting to come back to the U.S. , as the cheap labor that sent it there becomes less so, (rising 15%/ year according to The Wall Street Journal) and increasing efficiences decrease costs here. Also shipping and warehousing costs along with lag time to market are much reduced with domestic manufacturing. Although the fuel costs don't yet reflect it, cheaper oil and natural gas is becoming more available with new technology.

States like California and New York are losing business due to heavy taxation and expansive social welfare programs. Where will these businesses go? To places with good transportation, educated and cheap labor force, no unions, and low taxes. Dayton just needs to lower taxes/ provide incentives and recruit these businesses.

But it takes money and guts to buy up those places and hang onto them/ fix them up during this. Where is Donald Trump when you need him?

[maplelady]

Maybe he is lurking on the Cincy forum.

i agree with you 100 percent, CallMeConservative. I think I have mentioned that manufacturing returning from China sea change somewhere on this forum.

[chad1169]

Bought the house on the corner of Amherst and yale in Dayton. Single family home with 7500+ Sq foot with a ballroom on the 3rd floor. A nneighborhood is definitely worth saving. And there's no more gang active there than any other place in Dayton including downtown. Jeff

[Tarheel8406]

The houses in that neighborhood are beautiful, but I think people are hesitant to move there because crimes like this happen occasionally nearby. University Row seems to be ok, but Southern Dayton View has quite a bit of violent and property crime.

[Lucy Striker]

Having lived in New York for the vast majority of my life, it is laughable, at best, to assert that NYC is losing business because of "heavy welfare expansion programs." It's simply not true. Property values across NYC, including Brooklyn and Queens have skyrocketed and business is expanding (for example, the neighborhood I lived in, which was Bed-Stuy and now has been re-named to something that sounds "less Bed Stuy"...so the rent could go up to $2400/month for a ~1000 square foot THREE bedroom share). The reason I moved was because even areas like Bushwick (BLKYN) and Woodside (Queens) were becoming outrageously expensive, and the commute to Manhattan is quite brutal. It was impossible to go back to school to prepare for a career change (publishing to medicine) and afford to live there too! Until one fine day...

I have a good friend here in Dayton who just bought a lovely home quite near Grandview Hospital. It is on the other side of Salem from the Amherst/Yale area...but only about .5 miles away. Is there any difference? Doesn't seem so, but I don't want to state something emphatically that I don't know about. I am curious though. Also, Grafton Hill looks downright nice! A neighbor moved there last summer with his partner and simply loves it. Opinions on so much of Dayton seem fiercely opposite! I don't feel unsafe there (nor do I where I live, in St. Anne's in East Dayton) more than other places I've lived during my 30 years on the planet. Looking at crime stats, it doesn't seem random people are targeted very much at all. Ditto where a friend lives, who I often drove home after classes at 10pm (What defines "unsafe" for people who are not involved in gang activity? Judging by actual incidents, it doesn't appear people are "caught in the crossfire" or anything even remotely close to the sort. I've often found people "feeling" unsafe was very, very different than them ACTUALLY being in danger...

I like to learn more about the places I live, and where my loved ones live, so I will definitely be reading more of this thread.

[weatherphotographer]

Originally Posted by Lucy Striker

Having lived in New York for the vast majority of my life, it is laughable, at best, to assert that NYC is losing business because of "heavy welfare expansion programs." It's simply not true. Property values across NYC, including Brooklyn and Queens have skyrocketed and business is expanding (for example, the neighborhood I lived in, which was Bed-Stuy and now has been re-named to something that sounds "less Bed Stuy"...so the rent could go up to $2400/month for a ~1000 square foot THREE bedroom share). The reason I moved was because even areas like Bushwick (BLKYN) and Woodside (Queens) were becoming outrageously expensive, and the commute to Manhattan is quite brutal. It was impossible to go back to school to prepare for a career change (publishing to medicine) and afford to live there too! Until one fine day...

I have a good friend here in Dayton who just bought a lovely home quite near Grandview Hospital. It is on the other side of Salem from the Amherst/Yale area...but only about .5 miles away. Is there any difference? Doesn't seem so, but I don't want to state something emphatically that I don't know about. I am curious though. Also, Grafton Hill looks downright nice! A neighbor moved there last summer with his partner and simply loves it. Opinions on so much of Dayton seem fiercely opposite! I don't feel unsafe there (nor do I where I live, in St. Anne's in East Dayton) more than other places I've lived during my 30 years on the planet. Looking at crime stats, it doesn't seem random people are targeted very much at all. Ditto where a friend lives, who I often drove home after classes at 10pm (What defines "unsafe" for people who are not involved in gang activity? Judging by actual incidents, it doesn't appear people are "caught in the crossfire" or anything even remotely close to the sort. I've often found people "feeling" unsafe was very, very different than them ACTUALLY being in danger...

I like to learn more about the places I live, and where my loved ones live, so I will definitely be reading more of this thread.

May I ask how NYC got into this thread?

It's apple to oranges. Even as bad as Dayton is, it doesn't compare to NYC