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Old 10-21-2015, 02:11 PM
 
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I went to a new dentist when I moved to a new city and he told me I needed about $5000 worth of dental work done. Root Canals and Crowns. I told him I would think about it and get a second opinion. I went to a second dentist and she told me my teeth were in great shape and I did not need any of those things done the first dentist told me about. My second dentist told me my first dentist was committing fraud.

What should I do about the first dentist? Think of all the people who pay to have all this unnecessary work on their teeth and pay dearly for it.
If he gave you a written treatment plan, keep it and open a complaint with the State Board of Dentistry. They will look into it and if the dentist cannot justify his findings will discipline him. And if the Board does that, I'd place it on Yelp and Angie's List.
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Old 10-21-2015, 02:23 PM
 
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I went to a new dentist when I moved to a new city and he told me I needed about $5000 worth of dental work done. Root Canals and Crowns. I told him I would think about it and get a second opinion. I went to a second dentist and she told me my teeth were in great shape and I did not need any of those things done the first dentist told me about. My second dentist told me my first dentist was committing fraud.

What should I do about the first dentist? Think of all the people who pay to have all this unnecessary work on their teeth and pay dearly for it.
When I first moved to FL 20 years ago, I waited about 2 years before I went to a new dentist. I'm a fanatic about using Plax, brushing after every meal and gargling. Sometimes I use hydrogen peroxide. I'm not obsessive, but I spent so much of my life in a dentist's chair, that I do my best to prevent more problems.

Anyway, when I was asked "how long has it been since your last cleaning?" I told the truth. Well, guess what? Suddenly I needed periodontal surgery (which I had several times in my 30s) and other "necessary" work, including a root canal. So I paid for the consultation and X-rays and IIRC had a cleaning too. I waited another year or so and went to another dentist. I was asked the same question. I lied because of my last experience and said, I just moved here a few months ago and had a cleaning and checkup before I left." The response was "Your teeth and gums look very healthy!"

There's really nothing you can do. Unless you can prove a doctor committed malpractice, you would be slandering him/her so just move on and hope that most people get a 2nd opinion before proceeding with the recommended treatments.
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Old 10-21-2015, 11:11 PM
 
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This is called recency bias. How do you know which dentist is correct? How do you know the new dentist isn't telling you what you want to hear so he can get more money from you in the long term? Sounds like a good investment for the new dentist.
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Old 10-22-2015, 01:29 AM
 
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Yes, nearly a year ago a dentist told me that the tooth next to one he had just worked on (probably not necessary, in retrospect) was abscessed, needed to be immediately extracted & that I would need a dental implant. This tooth was right in front & this was during the holidays. He was also rude & dismissive. I was able to reach my former dentist of over 25 years in another state, even though he is retired, to ask his opinion. Thank goodness for him. Guess what? I have my tooth, it's fine. And I have a different dentist. Not much that I can do about this other than warn others. Went to this guy because he was on my dental insurance, but what a bad experience.
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Old 10-22-2015, 05:44 AM
 
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I've written this in another thread. My dentist is crown happy. I get one done and in no time he tells me I need another. It is nuts. The last time he told me this I just knodded and said yeah sure and haven't gotten it done. The tooth never bothered me.
I feel the same way! What's with all the passion the dentists have nowadays for crowns and/or root canals? Are their finances in such bad straits they need to get as much money as possible from patients? I realize that modern dentistry requires up-to-date expensive equipment, but it's getting ridiculous.
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Old 10-22-2015, 06:08 AM
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Agreed. I had one dentist tell me I needed 20 fillings. I only have 24 teeth It's been so long ago, but I remember having at least some of them done. I had great dental insurance at the time. Since then I only needed one major dental procedure, a porcelain onlay for a split tooth. I have seen several dentists, and they all were honest. When I had a cavity, they showed me the dark spots on the X-rays and told me exactly what they needed to do. I had all my silver fillings replaced with porcelain because the rest of my teeth were going to crack without them.

My wife went to another dentist for a simple exam, fillings, and cleaning. She went using a Groupon and when she went they refused to do her teeth cleaning, telling her she needed a deep cleaning because she had gingivitis (false), that they couldn't give her a regular cleaning because the hygienist would "lose her license," but they would do the deep cleaning, but it would cost $500. She was livid. She never went back. Why not do the regular cleaning and do the deep cleaning later? That makes no sense at all. She went back to her old dentist, and he didn't even suggest a deep cleaning.

I think dentists are like anyone else. Some are scam artists but most are honest. Use your common sense. If the dentist seems like he/she is trying to gouge you with major procedures, especially if you have no symptoms, get a second opinion. Even if he/she seems honest, ask to see the X-rays or pics of whatever tooth needs work for yourself. Dental work is expensive, and we sure don't want to pay for unnecessary procedures.
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Old 10-22-2015, 06:39 AM
 
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Yes, nearly a year ago a dentist told me that the tooth next to one he had just worked on (probably not necessary, in retrospect) was abscessed, needed to be immediately extracted & that I would need a dental implant. This tooth was right in front & this was during the holidays. He was also rude & dismissive. I was able to reach my former dentist of over 25 years in another state, even though he is retired, to ask his opinion. Thank goodness for him. Guess what? I have my tooth, it's fine. And I have a different dentist. Not much that I can do about this other than warn others. Went to this guy because he was on my dental insurance, but what a bad experience.
So you went to the lowest bidder and you're surprised with the outcome?
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Old 10-22-2015, 06:46 AM
 
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My wife went to another dentist for a simple exam, fillings, and cleaning. She went using a Groupon and when she went they refused to do her teeth cleaning, telling her she needed a deep cleaning because she had gingivitis (false), that they couldn't give her a regular cleaning because the hygienist would "lose her license," but they would do the deep cleaning, but it would cost $500. She was livid. She never went back. Why not do the regular cleaning and do the deep cleaning later? That makes no sense at all. She went back to her old dentist, and he didn't even suggest a deep cleaning.
$500 is a bargain. This is a patient education problem on the part of the office staff. They did not successfully educate the patient about her health problem. "Deep cleaning" is one of the biggest misnomers in dentistry because patients think it must be similar to a "regular" cleaning when it is completely different and involves removing diseased infected tissue from under the gums and often requires local anesthesia.

The hygienist and the dentist could indeed jeopardize their licenses if they do a "regular" cleaning when there is infection present because it will not address the real problem and the disease process will continue. But patients refuse to understand this and just want a regular cleaning of the parts of the teeth they can see in the mirror. This is like asking a painter to paint your kitchen while the house is on fire.
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Old 10-22-2015, 07:04 AM
 
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We moved to the Tucson area about 25 years ago and went to a dental clinic. We were told that we both needed the gum surgery or we would lose our teeth. We were both 36 years old. Our insurance would not pay for this. We got a 2nd opinion and was told we did not need gum surgery. Considering this is 25 years later and we have not lost any teeth............... We just took our adult son with DS to a dental clinic, they have decided they cannot work on his teeth. We are KS and nearer big cities so they recommend we take him to a specialist because he has a "small" mouth. In the smaller city we left, he saw both dentists there and neither had an issue.

At the local clinic, one dentist said he needed 3 fillings and the other said 8. It had only been 18 months since his last exam when he had 2 fillings. I truly think one is better off in smaller towns and we are in the process of trying to relocate.
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Old 10-22-2015, 07:26 AM
 
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I needed the root canals and crowns I have received. However, glitzy dentists seem to push cosmetic dentistry hardcore everytime I come in for routine work. My teeth look fairly decent, white and straight from braces in my teens. Getting veneers to create "perfect" makes me larf out loud.

OP - very smart getting a second opinion. Never thought of that for a dentist. I have had several absesses so if I am not having one I dont know the criteria of meeting the need for a root canal.

I find referrals by family worthwhile. I loved my old dentist, all my coworkers swore by her, but my insurance changed and she doesnt take it. She did our cleanings and exams and routine work so she really got to know your mouth. And you always felt like she had nothing else to do that day but take care of you.

My new dentist is at least funny. I dont know what else is in store for me. Lately my teeth have been good for a few years now. I didnt have a cavity until my 30s so I still see the dentist as my friend hehe.

Things arent always BS though. I'm a grinder and need a mouthguard. Dentistry also isnt an exact science. A lot of it best guesses.
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