11-03-2013, 06:53 AM
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Hello everyone,
I live in Canada and I was able to secure a Software Engineer job with a company in Superior. The company is in progress of getting TN visa paperwork done and they have contracted a specialized immigration law company for that.
I was looking for apartments to rent in the area and I've got into Rocky Flats related topics quite often, while reading through people's review about certain apartment rental companies/complexes. Tried to read more on this subject, and browsed also through a web page like this:
Concerned Homeowner Raises Questions about Living Near Rocky Flats | Rocky Flats Nuclear Guardianship
I have also watched the 'Silent Circle' movie, plus a recorded video interview with Kristen Iversen, author of the book titled 'Full Body Burden: Growing Up in the Nuclear Shadow of Rocky Flats' and who was giving a presentation on her book at one of the Denver's book stores.
I am effectively freaking out about the situation - how come the American people was able to do such dreadful thing to themselves, by contaminating their own land and getting into a situation which seems to have no room for remediation (i.e. Plutonium isotopes with a half-time of 24,000 years?).
Can anyone advise me what would be a wise thing to do? Could one assume that the situation has improved after the plant's closure in 1999 (after the FBI's raid)? Is the Government and EPA saying the truth when they state that the levels of the radiations are below the normal/accepted standards?
Can someone point me to pertinent sources of information on this matter? Info like cancer incidence rates, areas with higher soil/air concentrations etc.
My new workplace would be in Superior, somewhere near McCaslin Blvd & Rock Creek Parkway.
This company has also another office in Englewood. Would it be wiser to ask them for the other location (both teams had interviewed me and expressed their interest in me)? Or a few additional 20-30 miles distance from Rocky Flats former plant wouldn't make any difference in fact? Why Ms. Kristen Iversen decided to relocate to Memphis??
I haven't given my resignation with my current employer, here in Ontario, Canada. I have time until Monday Nov 4th to tell them. I was planning to come to Colorado only by myself as a 1st phase. And then, if the things turned out well, I would bring also my wife and the 2 children (aged 7 and 4). But I am suddenly freaking out, please help me with some wise advices. How can you all sleep well @ night considering what happened?
Is it a legitimate reason of concern and most of the people simply don't want to talk about (and hiding their heads in the sand), or is it overrated?
Your honest advice and help is very much appreciated.
11-03-2013, 08:36 AM
Location: Berkeley Neighborhood, Denver, CO USA
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Relax
You have read one side.
11-03-2013, 09:07 AM
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Can you please provide me with some links making 'a case' about the other side?
11-03-2013, 11:56 AM
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Can you please provide me with some links making 'a case' about the other side?
If you are looking for walkability, then choose Centennial/Englewood (I am assuming you would work either in the Denver Tech Center or Inverness). While both areas are similar in terms of walkability, Centennial/Englewood is definitely more urban.
Louisville (we pronounce the "s" here) is an older town with a small town downtown vibe and a nearby new urbanist subdivision. Without a car, access to downtown Denver is not easy.
The Denver Tech Center area is a collection of large business park and transit-oriented development. It is definitely more dense with high rise condos and apartments and light rail that runs to downtown.
Either way, I would recommend a car.
11-03-2013, 12:03 PM
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Thank you!
11-03-2013, 01:11 PM
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You have read one side.
Agreed. A blog such as in the OP is an invitation to people who have an axe to grind.
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Can you please provide me with some links making 'a case' about the other side?
What is your issue with risk? The area has not been declared uninhabitable; there is no increased risk that I am aware of in living in Louisville or Superior. Louisville is quite walkable, not just in the downtown area, but most of the city. Only if you live in the area on top of South Boulder Rd hill would you find walking difficult to most city services, e.g. rec center, stores, etc. There is some inter-city bus service in Louisville as well, including from downtown up to the areas on top of the hill.
I would think you could Google "Rocky Flats" and get a lot of information. There has not been any manufacturing there for 24 years.
Here's a start:
Rocky Flats Plant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Reason: Moved some sentences around.
11-03-2013, 01:44 PM
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I would've thought you could provide more exact source of info. I've already read that article, along with many others (see the list below). And the wikipedia article doesn't seem to attribute any positive aspects to what happened. Also, there seems to be a lot of agitation here:
Talk
Anyways, this is what I have already read so far - and nothing seems to shed a positive light:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioa...ky_Flats_Plant
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocky_...ildlife_Refuge
Rocky Flats | Kristen Iversen
http://www.kristeniversen.com/wp-con...nation-map.jpg
Health Studies | Kristen Iversen
Welcome to the Geospatial Environmental Mapping System IMF map viewer
5-year EPA report:
ftp://ftp.epa.gov/r8/temp/RockyFlats_3FYR-Jul2012.pdf
ROCKY FLATS PLANT (USDOE)
Why refuge should remain closed to public | Rocky Flats Nuclear Guardianship
http://www.rockyflatsnuclearguardian...ed-7-14-13.doc
Democracy and Public Health at Rocky Flats | Rocky Flats Nuclear Guardianship
http://www.rockyflatsnuclearguardian...ch-cleanup.pdf
Papers by LeRoy Moore, PhD | Rocky Flats Nuclear Guardianship
NIOSH Program Area - Radiation Dose Reconstruction - Rocky Flats Plant
ftp://ftp.epa.gov/r8/temp/RockyFlats_3FYR-Jul2012.pdf
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Katiana
There has not been any manufacturing there for 24 years.
You gotta be kidding, right? The half-life of the Plutonioum isotope is 24,000 years. Any more recent measurements that woudl be done would basically indicate the same values as the ones from done during 80's or 90's - the radioactivity is basically the same.
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Katiana
What is your issue with risk? The area has not been declared uninhabitable; there is no increased risk that I am aware of in living in Louisville or Superior.
Well, I am looking for several heath studies and air monitoring, and they don't seem to exist.
In lack of them, I can't infer anything viable - the Gov can say and hide whatever it wishes.
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Katiana
Louisville is quite walkable, not just in the downtown area, but most of the city. Only if you live in the area on top of South Boulder Rd hill would you find walking difficult to most city services, e.g. rec center, stores, etc. There is some inter-city bus service in Louisville as well, including from downtown up to the areas on top of the hill.
Thanks a lot for the info on Louiville. Yeah, I'm still thinking about that area as a viable location - especially if I would plan to live somewhere in Boulder - it's strategically closer to Boulder.
11-03-2013, 02:03 PM
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I thought since you asked, I'd give you a start. People in this area (I live in Louisville) don't spend all day worrying about this issue. I'm telling you there is no manufacturing going on currently, and has not been for 24 years. It sounds like you've made up your mind, anyway.
11-03-2013, 02:41 PM
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No, please don't get into the wrong conclusions. I haven't made up my mind and still prospecting on what's the best decision for me to take. It's not about the manufacturing ceasing its operations, but rather about the long-term implications of what happened, on the local population's health. As a person who is prospecting a radically new place/country to settle to, I am analyzing many aspects - don't wish to get into a significantly increased risk cancers or have my little sons getting sick, or their future children sick/congenital malformations etc. That's why I'm worried. For people who were born there, and who already have a big family and relatives, thus having deep roots in Denver, for them it may be much simpler to evaluate the situation, I'm not sure.
11-03-2013, 02:58 PM
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^^I am not from Colorado, had no family here for the first 16 years we lived here, and even now, have only a few family members in-state.
Despite what you read in muckraking literature like Kirsten Iversen, there is no increase in cancer in the Rocky Flats area.
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People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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