A gay question...literally (Denver, Lakewood: fit in, credit, income)

[one802013]

Hmmm...yeah I have yet to hear that about Denver (being prissy). Of course you can find that anywhere, as you mentioned. I'm mostly interested in meeting guys who appreciate the outdoors and aren't afraid to go camping or hiking on the weekends. I've been finding a lot of guys here in SD like the outdoors, but only because they like the nice weather...they don't really like to be too active and adventurous. Again, that's certainly not true for everyone here though! I just feel Denver might have more of the active/outdoorsy crowd I'm looking for.

[certainquirk]

When I say prissy, I mean ppl who see something they don't like, or encounter a business who doesn't want to serve them, and they still they insist. Like the recent wedding cake fiasco in Denver. That couple couldn't just move on down the road and find a different store and respect the store's wishes. No, they had to force them into something they didn't want. THAT is the prissy gay attitude I'd prefer stayed elsewhere, but unfortunately, Denver is that kind of place. Maybe I'm just old fashioned, but I AM gay, and I find that completely unacceptable. That's prissy to me, and I'd kick someone like that out of my very gay house.

[ironlady]

Originally Posted by ViolentDisasters

Honestly, with that attitude, I think you'd be better off moving to Colorado Springs and hooking up with one of the closeted Evangelicals there.

Honestly, don't think this was necessary. I thought the OP pretty polite.

[EricNorthman]

Originally Posted by one802013

I'm moving from San Diego to Denver early next year, and I'm curious about the people there...specifically the gay guys. Yes, I understand that it's unfair to generalize a group of people, however, there are usually common characteristics/trends.

I'm hoping gay guys in Denver are more masculine than gay guys here in SD. I feel the guys here are pretty feminine, they like watching "the kardashians" or "real housewives of," they care way too much about their hair/nails/looks, they are materialistic, they are very into "the scene," and like to wear things that are super tight or like to wear close to nothing at all (and just love a cute tank top).

Where are the gay guys who like to go hiking, and camping? or partake in outdoor activities other than going to the bar to gossip? The guys who are just...I don't know...guys?

I really don't mean to offend anyone...there is nothing wrong with the guys I mentioned above- they just aren't my type. I guess I'm just a bit upset and hoping for a nice change. I feel like I just don't "fit" in with the crowd here...hoping that'll change in Denver.

Any advice/thoughts/feedback?

Hey, I came across this last night, saw your post, and thought you might be interested as well. It is a group of gay men who go hiking and camping and other stuff. It looks like the website hasn't been updated in about two months but they do list contact info (emails and stuff) if you want to reach out to them for more info.

http://www.cofrontrangers.org/

If you play sports, a gay sports team can be a great way to meet some new people other than in bars. I play tennis and this is how I met the bulk of my gay friends here in Austin.

http://www.milehighgayguy.com/2008/0...nizations.html

I'm planning my own move to Denver in February. I'm looking for some of the same things you mentioned in your original post. If this group doesn't work out, we can start our own!

[one802013]

Ironlady and Eric- thank you both for your responses, I appreciate it!

Eric- that sounds like a great place to start, I will definitely look into that! Yeah, I'm just not into the whole bar scene (straight or gay). Exciting to hear about your move- maybe we'll connect up in Denver

[denverian]

Originally Posted by certainquirk

When I say prissy, I mean ppl who see something they don't like, or encounter a business who doesn't want to serve them, and they still they insist. Like the recent wedding cake fiasco in Denver. That couple couldn't just move on down the road and find a different store and respect the store's wishes. No, they had to force them into something they didn't want. THAT is the prissy gay attitude I'd prefer stayed elsewhere, but unfortunately, Denver is that kind of place. Maybe I'm just old fashioned, but I AM gay, and I find that completely unacceptable. That's prissy to me, and I'd kick someone like that out of my very gay house.

Standing up for your rights is not "prissy". If all gay people had your attitude and just sat back and tried to "act straight", or "move on" I wouldn't be legally married right now. You owe a lot to those "prissy" gay people who have fought back for decades.

I'm not "prissy", but enjoy living in Denver where I don't have to hide who I am, and where our family (husband and kids) is fully accepted in our community.

[jamesdenver]

I'm not a fan of comparing the 60s civil rights movement to the gay rights movement of today and recent years, since the obstacles and challenges are completely and blatantly different, and were on a much larger scale in the 60s. Furthermore, unlike an African American's daily life in the past, a gay person today has the social option to just acquiesce, keep their head down, and ignore the issue if they don't want to deal with it- which to me is the primary reason the two fights are markedly different.

However, in the case of business rights and services I do see similarities. Those who wanted to sleep in the same motels, sit on the same bus seats, or attend the same colleges were also called troublemakers (aka prisses), and the business owners maintained their right to refuse service under the same religious grounds as today ("Don't discriminate against our religious right to discriminate...")

Not everybody needs to be an activist, and I certainly don't attend every rally at the Capitol and follow every single political development on the issue- but I certainly respect those who do more than I, and they are anything but "prisses."

[certainquirk]

If I were that baker in Denver, I would have exercised my "right" to close my business and move it elsewhere before I would have ever acquiesced to someone telling me how to run MY PRIVATE PROPERTY/BUSINESS. And as I said in my earlier post, if some prissy person came along and demanded entry to my PRIVATE HOME, I would not allow it. If the STATE came along and demanded I allow them to enter, I'd leave the state (...sound familiar to any of you Californians?).

When someone is attempting to secure rights from the gov/state/feds/etc, THAT is an entirely different story. That is tax money that's been taken from all of us equally (supposedly) and therefore the gay community DOES have a right to be treated equally under the law/gov.

I know it's tough, but there's a distinction between PUBLIC/PRIVATE. I don't expect those who argue against this to understand though. I'm all too aware that most of those who believe they're entitled to run someone's private life/business have been suckled on a state teat from an early age -- they believe this is their "right" in this so-called "democracy". They're wrong, and that's that. That is why I choose to live in the eastern half of Colorado where this is still largely respected. I live here openly and without fear -- yes, amongst those horrid Christians -- my partner and I. I don't need to tell ppl how to run their lives or businesses. I mind mine and they mind theirs. It's that simple.This thread is no longer on topic however, and that is all I have to say on the matter.

[denverian]

Originally Posted by certainquirk

If I were that baker in Denver, I would have exercised my "right" to close my business and move it elsewhere before I would have ever acquiesced to someone telling me how to run MY PRIVATE PROPERTY/BUSINESS. And as I said in my earlier post, if some prissy person came along and demanded entry to my PRIVATE HOME, I would not allow it. If the STATE came along and demanded I allow them to enter, I'd leave the state (...sound familiar to any of you Californians?).

When someone is attempting to secure rights from the gov/state/feds/etc, THAT is an entirely different story. That is tax money that's been taken from all of us equally (supposedly) and therefore the gay community DOES have a right to be treated equally under the law/gov.

I know it's tough, but there's a distinction between PUBLIC/PRIVATE. I don't expect those who argue against this to understand though. I'm all too aware that most of those who believe they're entitled to run someone's private life/business have been suckled on a state teat from an early age -- they believe this is their "right" in this so-called "democracy". They're wrong, and that's that. That is why I choose to live in the eastern half of Colorado where this is still largely respected. I live here openly and without fear -- yes, amongst those horrid Christians -- my partner and I. I don't need to tell ppl how to run their lives or businesses. I mind mine and they mind theirs. It's that simple.This thread is no longer on topic however, and that is all I have to say on the matter.

Private property rights and the rights of a business that serves the general public are two completely different matters. In your "perfect world", there would still be "no coloreds allowed" signs in the South

A gay hating gay... mmm-mmm-mmm!

[cowboyxjon]

Originally Posted by denverian

A gay hating gay... mmm-mmm-mmm!

I'm gay and I can't stand most gay people either.