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Old 07-16-2015, 05:09 PM
 
Location: Pueblo - Colorado's Second City
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Sure, but Denver came up with the plan- and kicked in a hell of a lot more money then the state put in. Using this as an argument weakens your position because it's an example of the local level proposing the solution and finding a way to pay for it.
I do not believe the state owns the national western stock show? I could be wrong.

How much would Pueblo be asked to kick in for a bigger improvement plan? That would be left up to the agreement they would come up with.
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Old 07-16-2015, 05:10 PM
 
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The reality is the state owns the land so it should be mutual between the city and state to come up with a viable plan that is good for all parties involved. As you posted the fair is not moving so they should be working together to make it better. I mean look at it this way even if it was to leave how much would it cost the state to redevelop the land as there is no way anyone would let them tear it down? A lot more then they put into it now.
I'd push for the state to sell the land to the private sector and let the market determine the best use for the site- it would make a great tailings cell for the Cotter Mill cleanup.

Or just let it sit abandoned.
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Old 07-16-2015, 05:11 PM
 
Location: Pueblo - Colorado's Second City
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I'd push for the state to sell the land to the private sector and let the market determine the best use for the site- it would make a great tailings cell for the Cotter Mill cleanup.

Or just let it sit abandoned.
Do you really think politically speaking that would fly? Just asking.
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Old 07-16-2015, 05:13 PM
 
Location: lakewood
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plenty of municipalities and govt. agencies are divesting thenselves of unproductive or otherwise unnecessary assets...

so, if the state owns the land - Is it the Fair's operating cost (depreciation, maint., utilities, insurance) alone that is responsible for the annual losses? that is kind of mind boggling to me, honestly...
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Old 07-16-2015, 05:14 PM
 
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Do you really think politically speaking that would fly? Just asking.
Probably, it would be viewed as the state being fiscally prudent and saving the taxpayer's money. Pueblo just doesn't have the pull politically it once did and Neville could make political hay off of such a move, and the residents of Pueblo County outside of the city would ultimately support it.

15 years ago it would have been different, the center's of political strength in the state were a lot different.
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Old 07-16-2015, 05:20 PM
 
Location: Pueblo - Colorado's Second City
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plenty of municipalities and govt. agencies are divesting thenselves of unproductive or otherwise unnecessary assets...

so, if the state owns the land - Is it the Fair's operating cost (depreciation, maint., utilities, insurance) alone that is responsible for the annual losses? that is kind of mind boggling to me, honestly...
The state fair is a unique holding by the state as it includes many buildings, dorms, arena, event center etc. To my knowledge this could be the only thing like it owned by the state? Why it needs a local, state and private partnership.
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Old 07-16-2015, 05:21 PM
 
Location: Pueblo - Colorado's Second City
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Probably, it would be viewed as the state being fiscally prudent and saving the taxpayer's money. Pueblo just doesn't have the pull politically it once did and Neville could make political hay off of such a move, and the residents of Pueblo County outside of the city would ultimately support it.

15 years ago it would have been different, the center's of political strength in the state were a lot different.
This was your quote from the third:

But the Fair going there? I'd say no since no one is going to provide funding to move it and it would be a political ****storm.
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Old 07-16-2015, 05:30 PM
 
Location: lakewood
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The state fair is a unique holding by the state as it includes many buildings, dorms, arena, event center etc. To my knowledge this could be the only thing like it owned by the state? Why it needs a local, state and private partnership.

the missle silos and launch sites that DoD had were also very unique holdings; and they were sold off...
for little money also, to be candid, given the initial outlay...

Missile bases, communication bunkers and underground properties

these are way more unique than a large parcel with relatively common type structures, etc.
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Old 07-16-2015, 05:45 PM
 
Location: Pueblo - Colorado's Second City
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the missle silos and launch sites that DoD had were also very unique holdings; and they were sold off...
for little money also, to be candid, given the initial outlay...

Missile bases, communication bunkers and underground properties

these are way more unique than a large parcel with relatively common type structures, etc.
Not sure you could compare this to that but I could be wrong. I still think the better idea is to come up with a plan to make it profitable off season.
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Old 07-16-2015, 05:50 PM
 
Location: lakewood
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The point I was making is that just because a holding is unique, does not warrant blinders
with respect to divestiture decisions
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