09-09-2016, 09:52 AM
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Hello!
Wife got an internal offer from her company to move to Denver office which we are thinking of taking. We are ~35 and have 2 kids 4.5 and 1.5 years old. We are in NJ and live in an affluent town with some of the best public schools in the nation (Mendham, NJ). I am in consulting so no worries about moving there. I have been reading threads on here and gather that Cherry Creek might be the right place to move, but the PRE-K program might already be full. I have family members that live in Highland Ranch and simply rave about the school system there. Our Budget is 800K - 1.2MM. I have a couple of basic questions
1 - If you live in Denver Proper (cherry creek) does the school system depend on where you buy a house
2 - Is Highland Ranch school system almost as good as CCSD
3 - If we move in december , would we be able to send our kid to a school there, if not are there options for private school?
4- We are second generation Pakistani's; are both these communities well educated/ open minded?
5- What are the age demographics in these communities? I do not want to live in a retirement community
6- Should there be any other areas we should be considering?
Once this offer solidifies, we plan on visiting towards the end of the month and maybe going to a couple of open houses. Wanted to get a head start so we are not flying blind.
Thank you -
09-09-2016, 10:35 AM
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Hello!
Wife got an internal offer from her company to move to Denver office which we are thinking of taking. We are ~35 and have 2 kids 4.5 and 1.5 years old. We are in NJ and live in an affluent town with some of the best public schools in the nation (Mendham, NJ). I am in consulting so no worries about moving there. I have been reading threads on here and gather that Cherry Creek might be the right place to move, but the PRE-K program might already be full. I have family members that live in Highland Ranch and simply rave about the school system there. Our Budget is 800K - 1.2MM. I have a couple of basic questions
1 - If you live in Denver Proper (cherry creek) does the school system depend on where you buy a house
If you are in Denver proper, you will be in the Denver Public School District. DPS is a large, urban school district that has some of the problems that go along with being such. Elementary schools in DPS range from excellent to poor and this is very much related to the affluence of the neighborhood that they draw from. Middle School and High school becomes a trickier situation in DPS because the areas that they draw from are much larger.
Cherry Creek means a few different things so it is important to differentiate.
Cherry Creek is a neighborhood in the City of Denver. Its neighborhood elementary school is Bromwell (Denver Public School). It is one of the best rated elementary schools in the state. If you live in the Cherry Creek neighborhood, you will get your kids in to Bromwell. Cherry Creek Mall and Cherry Creek North shopping district are in this neighborhood. They are very upscale.
Cherry Creek is also a school district that serves parts of Aurora, Greenwood Village, Unincorporated Arapahoe County, and I'm sure some other area I am forgetting. Cherry Creek School District is very highly rate across the board.
Cherry Creek is a creek that flows through Denver along Speer Boulevard
Cherry Creek Reservoir is a water storage and recreational reservoir with a surrounding state park
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2 - Is Highland Ranch school system almost as good as CCSD
Highlands Ranch feeds Douglas County School District. We have several posters on here who have kids in the district. There have been a lot of politically charged issues with the DCSD board recently. To make a very broad statement, DCSD is good, but not quite as good as CCSD
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3 - If we move in december , would we be able to send our kid to a school there, if not are there options for private school?
I believe you are guaranteed a space at your neighborhood school. There are private school options as well, but it will not be necessary.
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4- We are second generation Pakistani's; are both these communities well educated/ open minded?
The city of Denver is a very liberal place and quite accepting. The Douglas County suburbs are definitely more conservative. I'm not sure what that translates to for acceptance.
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5- What are the age demographics in these communities? I do not want to live in a retirement community
If you are living in an area with good schools, there will be lots of families with kids sending them there.
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6- Should there be any other areas we should be considering?
If you want to look in the city, Congress Park, Wash Park, and Hilltop are in your budget and have lots of families with young kids. You might also look at Stapleton. It has the greatest concentration of young families in the city and great elementary schools. It's a quite accepting community. In fact, the more I think about it, Stapleton might be a great fit. It also has the best airport access if you need to travel for consulting work.
You'll get far less house for the money in the city than you will in the suburbs, but lots of us find that to be worth it.
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Once this offer solidifies, we plan on visiting towards the end of the month and maybe going to a couple of open houses. Wanted to get a head start so we are not flying blind.
Thank you -
Good plan
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09-09-2016, 10:41 AM
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Thanks you!
09-09-2016, 11:04 AM
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A couple of additional points to what SkyDog said (and kudos for tackling the Cherry Creek definitions! lol!)
I can only speak to the specifics in DPS, but suspect it may apply to other districts as well. You are NOT guaranteed a public pre-K spot. Pre-K is not mandated, so the schools do not have to provide it. It's a popular program and there are far fewer spots than there is demand, and the majority of people who try to get their kid in don't. So yes, it's more likely than not that there will not be any openings for a pre-K student in December and you would need to use a private pre-K. Once your child is in kindergarten, you are guaranteed a spot for your zoned school, with the ability to try to choice into another school. But since choice is never guaranteed, the best option is always to live where you are zoned into the schools you want for your kid. The school choice/registration process starts in early January, so you should make sure you are living here and have proof of residence before that, so you can get your child registered and your spot reserved in January. Theoretically, they have to let you in if you move in during the school year, but it's always best to just avoid any possible problems IMO.
And I would second the recommendation to put Stapleton on your list of areas to consider. I live there and it's a great place for young families. Your budget gives you many housing options there and while your time frame is too short for you to do your own build, you will find many "gently used" resale options. It's also one of the best locations for easy access to the airport if that's a consideration - the airport is far away enough that you aren't impacted by it, but it's a quicker drive from here than anything else on your list.
09-09-2016, 11:06 AM
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SkyDog is right about DCSD. It is getting better in the district but there are still problems to overcome. We still like it though. We love Highlands Ranch.
09-09-2016, 04:40 PM
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If you have family in Highlands Ranch ask them about the schools. There are plenty of very nice houses in Highlands Ranch and Lone Tree.
You could also look into Cherry Creek Schools - south Aurora.
The average price here is $400,000 - so you are looking at very nice houses. Some will send their kids to private schools, some won't.
09-09-2016, 09:41 PM
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Thanks - this moving thing is making my head spin. The family members like the highlands ranch schools. I have an issue paying more then 1 std deviation above mean for houses so don't want to spend more than 700 in hp. What do you guys think of hilltop?
09-09-2016, 10:00 PM
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What would it mean for Your kids to live near their family? Hilltop is very nice if you like older houses in established neighborhoods. Highlands Ranch if you want something that's more suburban, more lot size 4 rec centers and closer to family but you should explore all before narrowing down your decision on housing.
Mean? Never heard anyone say that is their line in the sand.
09-10-2016, 07:14 AM
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We moved to Stapleton in 2012 (we've since relocated out of state), but we had a similar budget to yours and spent a lot of time looking in many of the areas mentioned above- specifically Hilltop, South Park Hill, Bonnie Brae, and Wash Park. Didn't look at Cherry Creek North because that was slightly out of our budget (which was a max $1M).
Honestly, we ended up in Stapleton after my husband (who did our house hunting exclusively because I hadn't moved up yet) saw over 50 houses in the above areas and concluded that anything below around $800K would require significant updates, in our opinion. That, and the fact that sometimes the schools were spotty.
So, we ended up in Stapleton because of the schools and the great commute time for my husband and the fact that our budget could buy us anything we wanted there. I enjoyed it there, but he did not. Stapleton and Highlands Ranch will give you the newer, suburban feel, and the other neighborhoods you are looking at are older and established.
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Thank you for the messages; Stapleton looks nice but is a bit out of our 15 minutes distance of greenwood village where my wife will be working. For me I can uber to the airport from anywhere, twice a week.
Texas Ag - did your husband look at belcaro? Corey Elementry seems like a good school. Also what was the sportiness in the school? Currently we are considering stech, Bromwell and Corey.
Also we are not close to the family there (cousins) but hopefully will become better friends once we move there.
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Most Common Occupations - Production, transportation, and material moving occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Transportation occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)