So-called "Right to Survive" Initiative seems to be popular (Denver: to live, homeless)

[LHS79]

Originally Posted by ADogNamedSam

*applause*


Great post.


The only time the media mentions the homeless is when an (R) is in the White House. During the reign of the pampered, perfumed prince pen-and-phone, not a word.

I agree- there is actually a medical term for what ails "those people" now = TDS

[mysticaltyger]

Originally Posted by pittsflyer

When people fall from respected good jobs and can’t tolerate McJobs it does not take much for this to happen. Will a laid off engineer behave the same way as a drug addicted drunk bum ... no but the drunk bums bring visibility to the issue which I needed. Under employment is rampant and people are sick of it

A much larger issue is that there are fewer and fewer jobs that pay a living wage for low skill people. What will we do when these jobs are automated away? A high minimum wage just ensures they'll be automated away that much faster.

That said, we can't just say that the majority of people falling into addiction is somehow inevitable. I've been to much poorer countries than the U.S. and poor people in low paying jobs do not just resort to drug addiction. We need to make the family unit stable again and to encourage values to make that happen. We've gone in the opposite direction of that for 50+ years now.

[mysticaltyger]

Originally Posted by townshend

If wealthy people -- here understood as business owners who potentially employ you -- paid you a living wage -- rather than minimum wage, you would not have had to have two or three jobs at a time.

Once again, it's been mostly left-wing NIMBYs who have persistently blocked new housing construction for the past 40 years in places like San Francisco. And even liberal media outlets have admitted as much over the past several years. Those anti-growth policies have made housing very unaffordable.

https://www.theatlantic.com/business...rdable/382045/

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/17/u...ng-crisis.html

https://marketurbanismreport.com/the...tal-us-cities/

In the following ways, our policies just don’t align with our stated ideology:

Liberal Ideology................... Liberal City Policy
We are pro-environment…......but anti-growth and density
We are pro-immigration….....…but anti-migration
We are pro-equity….............…but anti-housing

And once again...treating the homeless problem as primarily a housing problem is a band aid mindset. Normal working people working low paying jobs move to where housing is cheaper. They don't just opt to do drugs and live on the streets (as if a drug habit is cheap to maintain!).

[mysticaltyger]

Originally Posted by sammy87

If your goal ceiling is washing dishes, its your own fault. Nobody is going to pay a living wage for a task that literally a robot does most of the work. Its a way to earn some extra money. Although you could pay a living wage to every step on the ladder and they pay over $100 for a burger...Seattle already tried that and many restraurants shut their doors.

The bolded has also been proven by University of Washington researchers, hardly a hotbed a right wingers:

https://www.seattletimes.com/busines...-costing-jobs/

The city’s escalating minimum wage has meant a slight increase in pay among workers earning up to $19 per hour, but the hours worked in such jobs have shrunk, a study commissioned by the city found. It estimates there would be 5,000 more such jobs without the Seattle law.

[daprara]

there will always be a small percentage of peeps that can't take care of them selves.
could be a sister or brother too

what are other cities doing? Would Google and remedial math be a help full tools for Denver City Planners?
how much does it cost to reduce the population by 30, 50 or 75%?

Have you driven by Broadway and 20th recently?

[pikabike]

Originally Posted by mysticaltyger

The bolded has also been proven by University of Washington researchers, hardly a hotbed a right wingers:

https://www.seattletimes.com/busines...-costing-jobs/

The city’s escalating minimum wage has meant a slight increase in pay among workers earning up to $19 per hour, but the hours worked in such jobs have shrunk, a study commissioned by the city found. It estimates there would be 5,000 more such jobs without the Seattle law.

We lived in a PNW town heavily influenced by SF and Seattle politics. The town pushed minimum wage of $15/ hr. As I predicted, employment suffered, but not in the expected way. What I saw was that almost immediately, two restaurants that had served breakfast (very popular among both tourists and residents) stopped doing so and reduced their hours of operation. So the stats might not have showed UNemployment rose, but UNDERemployment did.

I worry that the recent move to fund “affordable housing” by changing some business tax allowances will have a similar effect. Yet another case of robbing Peter to pay for Paul.

[emm74]

I'm cynical enough to think there is likely some political calculus in the timing of this, but I also believe it's realistic to think this would become a routine occurrence if 300 passes

An area near the Denver Rescue Mission is so filthy that the Denver Department of Public Health and Environment is stepping in.

https://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...NM3o6zmdRg9HoU

[mysticaltyger]

Originally Posted by pikabike

We lived in a PNW town heavily influenced by SF and Seattle politics. The town pushed minimum wage of $15/ hr. As I predicted, employment suffered, but not in the expected way. What I saw was that almost immediately, two restaurants that had served breakfast (very popular among both tourists and residents) stopped doing so and reduced their hours of operation. So the stats might not have showed UNemployment rose, but UNDERemployment did.

Correct. That's essentially what the study showed. People in these jobs earned more per hour, but worked fewer hours per job. The article pointed out that most of the studies that don't show a loss of jobs when minimum wage goes up don't actually count the hours worked (IOW the studies that don't count hours worked are a sham).

Originally Posted by pikabike

I worry that the recent move to fund “affordable housing” by changing some business tax allowances will have a similar effect. Yet another case of robbing Peter to pay for Paul.

Agreed. The way you make housing affordable is you build enough to meet demand. Period. "Affordable housing" will always be a lottery-like shell game if supply and demand are not in balance. That's because if housing is priced below market rate, you'll always have more people who want it than you can build.

[emm74]

I answered a phone survey a couple of days ago about the upcoming elections, including 300. I haven't seen anything reporting the results though. I wonder if the needle has moved at all since the March polling cited in the original post.

[BarryK123]

Originally Posted by emm74

I answered a phone survey a couple of days ago

So there are still some people that answer their phone for unrecognized numbers...
Not me!