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Old 07-04-2019, 11:57 AM
 
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From the article linked to: "In 2012, the utility’s ongoing testing detected lead in a few homes that exceeded federal limits....Denver Water monitors lead levels at several dozen homes with lead pipes. Levels haven’t exceeded the limit since 2012." Sounds like everybody needs $5,000 worth of new plumbing.
What Denver Water doesn't need is $500,000,000.00 in jury awards against it from class action lawyers.
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Old 07-04-2019, 12:39 PM
 
Location: Indianapolis, East Side
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What Denver Water doesn't need is $500,000,000.00 in jury awards against it from class action lawyers.
Just how is anyone going to be awarded half a billion dollars when the lead levels don't exceed EPA limits? And the step Denver Water is considering is highly unusual?

As for return on investment of a $5,000 upgrade vs. filtering, a countertop filter is about $30 and lead reducing filters (that reduce 99% of lead) are $7 each. Say you replace the filters every three months and the pitcher every five years. It'll take your $5,000 upgrade 147 years to pay for itself.
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Old 07-04-2019, 01:17 PM
 
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Never underestimate the power of a jury to award massive compensation for just about anything.

In the transport business we have true stories of people trespassing on railroad property which was clearly marked NO TRESPASSING yet "railfans" climb up on top of railcars to take pictures, fell off, broke a leg, sued the railroad and still got a fat award from a jury.

Then there's the woman given millions of dollars for scalding her legs by putting a cup of hot coffee between her thighs as she drove. She deserved a Darwin Award, not a jury award.

There are 'personal injury' lawyers out there chomping at the bit to sue over anything, even if the lead levels are supposedly within EPA standards.

Denver Water, and especially its attorneys and insurance providers, are buying out a potential future lawsuit that could seriously crush them.
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Old 07-04-2019, 02:24 PM
 
Location: Berkeley Neighborhood, Denver, CO USA
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As for return on investment of a $5,000 upgrade vs. filtering, a countertop filter is about $30 and lead reducing filters (that reduce 99% of lead) are $7 each. Say you replace the filters every three months and the pitcher every five years. It'll take your $5,000 upgrade 147 years to pay for itself.
Not arguing about ROI.
The filter is not a 50-year solution. What if people stop using the filter? What if the next tenant does not even know they need a filter?
And, my neighborhood is 130 years old. How can you think that filters would be a good idea over the next 130 years?
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Old 07-04-2019, 03:35 PM
 
Location: Indianapolis, East Side
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Never underestimate the power of a jury to award massive compensation for just about anything.

In the transport business we have true stories of people trespassing on railroad property which was clearly marked NO TRESPASSING yet "railfans" climb up on top of railcars to take pictures, fell off, broke a leg, sued the railroad and still got a fat award from a jury.

Then there's the woman given millions of dollars for scalding her legs by putting a cup of hot coffee between her thighs as she drove. She deserved a Darwin Award, not a jury award.

There are 'personal injury' lawyers out there chomping at the bit to sue over anything, even if the lead levels are supposedly within EPA standards.

Denver Water, and especially its attorneys and insurance providers, are buying out a potential future lawsuit that could seriously crush them.
Civil suits are about damages, and those people you mention at least had damages. Where are the damages in a potential lawsuit over Denver's water?
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Old 07-04-2019, 03:47 PM
 
Location: Indianapolis, East Side
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Not arguing about ROI.
The filter is not a 50-year solution. What if people stop using the filter? What if the next tenant does not even know they need a filter?
And, my neighborhood is 130 years old. How can you think that filters would be a good idea over the next 130 years?
Since levels have been within safe limits since 2012, it sounds like they'll be fine. Have people in your neighborhood been getting lead poisoning for the past 130 years?

If there are some residences of concern, Denver Water can mail an annual postcard to the address saying they need a water filter or new plumbing. Since people typically stay in their house about five to ten years, and/or drink bottled water, and/or have a refrigerator with a water filter already in it, they'll probably opt for the filter.
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Old 06-12-2021, 05:15 AM
 
Location: Concord, CA
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Denver Water is replacing decades-old toxic lead pipes faster than expected

The $500 million program replacing lines for up to 84,000 homes, likely to take 15 years


https://www.denverpost.com/2021/06/1...ment-overview/

"Tens of thousands of Denver residents drink, bathe in and cook with water that comes in through lead service lines.

Denver Water crews are moving as fast as a public utility that serves 1.5 million homes can to replace the lead pipes and solder before the soft, toxic metal leeches too much and gradually poisons the people inside.

It’s an estimated $500 million undertaking for up to 84,000 homes and one that won’t be finished until well into next decade. But, so far, state health officials say the replacement program is going well, moving faster than required and that lead levels have decreased in homes with the service lines since it began."
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Old 07-08-2021, 10:14 AM
 
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i would not believe anything Denver Water or city gov has to say or do.
just too much money at stake.
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