Suburbs are much more diverse than a decade ago (Detroit: house, neighborhood)

[Remisc]

I'm surprised Clinton Township isn't on this list. In 2000, it was about 5% African American, now, when I visit family there, I noticed it appears to be 35%-40% African American.

[us66]

Originally Posted by Remisc

I'm surprised Clinton Township isn't on this list. In 2000, it was about 5% African American, now, when I visit family there, I noticed it appears to be 35%-40% African American.

Their Census data will be interesting. I've really noticed this, especially in NW Clinton, but definitely townshipwide the past year or two. 35-40 is high, though, except in apartments and in the Quinn Road area.

[Remisc]

Originally Posted by us66

Their Census data will be interesting. I've really noticed this, especially in NW Clinton, but definitely townshipwide the past year or two. 35-40 is high, though, except in apartments and in the Quinn Road area.

I don't know, it seems most of the township south of 16 Mile is majority black, not just around Quinn. Also, the area around Joy Road (Which, despite popular belief, is Clinton Township, NOT Mount Clemens), and, the area immediately south of Mount Clemens, off NB Gratiot has also diversified lately.

[us66]

The apartments between Harper and 94, either side of 16 Mile, may be majority black or close to it. Rents are comparatively cheap and the schools are better than Roseville, Clintondale, or East Detroit. Detached houses, however, not even close, except in the Quinn area. NW Clinton in particular does seem more diverse than it did, I don't spend much time there anymore but my friends still there have made mention of it, lots more blacks and eastern European immigrants. When I worked fast food as a teenager on Garfield we might wait on five black customers a week (a manager of mine actually denied one service once) and we seldom had black employees (many of them came from Detroit, but one teenage co-worker lived in the $1000 a month apartments at 19 and Romeo Plank), but the workforce is much more diverse now.

[Remisc]

Originally Posted by us66

The apartments between Harper and 94, either side of 16 Mile, may be majority black or close to it. Rents are comparatively cheap and the schools are better than Roseville, Clintondale, or East Detroit. Detached houses, however, not even close, except in the Quinn area. NW Clinton in particular does seem more diverse than it did, I don't spend much time there anymore but my friends still there have made mention of it, lots more blacks and eastern European immigrants. When I worked fast food as a teenager on Garfield we might wait on five black customers a week (a manager of mine actually denied one service once) and we seldom had black employees (many of them came from Detroit, but one teenage co-worker lived in the $1000 a month apartments at 19 and Romeo Plank), but the workforce is much more diverse now.

When you say NW Clinton, do you mean by the Partridge Creek mall?

[us66]

Yeah, north of 16, south of Hall, between Hayes and probably the intersection of Cass and Clinton River. There's some huge apartment complexes that aren't all that nice (Carlyle Place on 19 Mile where a friend of mine completely ruined a unit once, and a co-worker when I delivered pizzas nearly got robbed ten years ago, Garfield Plaza, another complex on Kingsbrook whose name I can't remember, Riverside Village...a dump at 19 and Romeo Plank, and a real hole on Canal called Green Valley, where all the Romanian immigrants I worked with lived). Nearly the entire area is in the Chippewa Valley district, a little on the south edge is in Fraser Schools.

[Retroit]

Originally Posted by Remisc

I'm surprised Clinton Township isn't on this list. In 2000, it was about 5% African American, now, when I visit family there, I noticed it appears to be 35%-40% African American.

Damn those secretaries! How many times do I have to tell them to proofread their work? () Here's the corrected list. I've also included the percentages (white/black/other) for those cities that are less than 94% white. I intend to create another list using 2010 numbers and compare the changes.

For reference: Tri-county percentages: 68.7% white / 25.1% black / 6.2% other

Romulus 65.4%/30.0%/4.7%
New Haven Village 74.9/19.0/6.2
Mount Clemens 75.8/19.6/4.6
Lenox Twp. 79.0/16.5/4.5
Auborn Hills 75.9/13.2/10.9
Van Buren Twp. 82.6/12.0/5.3
Wayne 84.4/11.3/4.3
Sumpter Twp. 84.7/12.3/3.0
Ecorse 52.2/40.6/7.3
River Rouge 52.6/42.0/5.4
Harper Woods 85.9/10.2/3.8
Taylor 86.1/8.7/5.12
Hamtramck 61.0/15.1/23.9
Farmington Hills 82.9/6.9/10.1
Westland 87.2/6.8/6.0
Belleville 87.5/7.9/4.6
Redford 88.0/8.5/3.5
Melvindale 87.4/5.2/7.3
West Bloomfield 84.2/5.2/10.6
Canton Twp. 84.0/4.5/11.6
Northville Twp. 89.3/4.4/6.3
Bloomfield Twp. 87.7/4.3/8.0
Franklin Village 89.8/5.1/5.1
Brownstown Twp. 89.0/3.8/7.2
Oak Park 47.0/46.0/7.1
Farmington 85.7/2.7/11.6
Clinton Twp. 91.1/4.7/4.2
Warren 91.3/2.7/6.0
Wixom 90.4/2.5/7.1
Rochester Hills 88.8/2.4/8.8
Bingham Farms 91.5/5.4/3.1
Ferndale 91.5/3.4/5.1
Dearborn Heights 91.6/2.1/6.2
Troy 82.3/2.1/15.6
Orchard Lake Village 91.9/3.8/4.2
Novi 87.3/1.9/10.8
Madison Heights 89.6/1.8/8.6
Eastpointe 92.1/4.7/3.1
Bloomfield Hills 90.7/1.6/7.7
Hazel Park 91.6/1.6/6.8
Plymouth Twp. 92.4/3.0/4.7
Rochester 92.4/2.2/5.4
Southfield Twp. 92.4/3.6/4.0
Grosse Pointe Park 92.5/2.9/4.6
Sterling Heights 90.7/1.3/8.0
Dearborn 86.9/1.3/11.9
Lake Twp. 88.8/1.3/10.0
Waterford 92.7/2.9/4.5
Romeo 92.7/4.4/3.0
Beverly Hills 93.2/3.0/3.7
Woodhaven 93.2/2.3/4.5
Lincoln Park 93.3/2.1/4.7
Lathrup Village 47.0/49.8/3.2
Chesterfield Twp. 93.4/3.0/3.6
Roseville 93.4/2.6/4.0
Southgate 93.7/2.1/4.2
Utica 93.8/0.9/5.3
Grosse Pointe Shores 93.8/0.6/5.6
Centerline 93.8/3.1/3.1
Lake Angelus 82.5/0/17.5
Grosse Ponte Twp. 93.9/0.6/5.5
Keego Harbor
Oakland Charter Twp.
Riverview
Leonard Village
Holly Twp.
Harrison Twp.
Royal Oak
Novi Twp.
Shelby Twp.
Grosse Ile
Flat Rock
Walled Lake
Sylvan Twp.
Orion Twp.
Richmond
Livonia
Allen Park
Rockwood
Northville (Oakland)
Bruce Twp.
Huron Charter Twp.
Berkley
Clawson
Macomb Twp.
Birmingham
Garden City
Grosse Pointe Woods
Wyandotte
Plymouth
Northville (Wayne)
White Lake
Pleasant Ridge
Fraser
South Lyon
Springfield Twp.
Commerce twp.
Gibraltar
Clarkston
Oxford Charter Twp.
St. Clair Shores
New Baltimore
Trenton
Richmond Twp.
Huntington Woods
Addison Twp.
Lyon Twp.
Rose Twp.
Grosse Pointe City
Oxford Village
Washington Twp.
Milford Village
Brandon Twp.
Grosse Pointe Farms
Memphis (Macomb)
Armada
Wolverine Lake
Ray Twp.
Lake Orion
Armada Twp.
Ortonville
Pontiac 39.1/47.9/13.0
Southfield 39.0/54.2/6.9
Inkster 25.1/67.5/7.4
Royal Oak Charter Twp. 22.7/71.5/5.8
Detroit 12.3/81.6/6.2
Highland Park 4.1/93.4/2.4

[Chicagoland60426]

If Detroit metro is anything like Chicago metro, then some of these suburbs with black and white diversity are only temporary. Isn't Southfield losing its white pop.? I have a few cousins living in Southfield and the suburb is near 2/3rds black and the local high school is over 95% black.

[us66]

Southfield has pretty much lost its white population. Much of the remaining white population is Jewish and I think they might send their children to private schools. Some of the areas on the list are definitely in white flight, such as Eastpointe and Redford Township, but a number of these areas have historically had a black population either living off in a corner of the municipality (Clinton Township) or have a history of the races living together for a long time (Romulus, Mount Clemens, New Haven). I don't have a great familiarity with Romulus (the airport is there but not much else) but I lived in northwestern Clinton Township for about ten years. That area is more diverse (especially the apartments) but is not having much in the way of white flight issues. Mount Clemens is a small, old city that is still kind of segregated almost block by block. I think the racists in metro Detroit are realizing that they can't really run away anymore without going out 30 miles and having an hour commute to work.

[Dexterguy]

Originally Posted by Chicagoland60426

If Detroit metro is anything like Chicago metro, then some of these suburbs with black and white diversity are only temporary. Isn't Southfield losing its white pop.? I have a few cousins living in Southfield and the suburb is near 2/3rds black and the local high school is over 95% black.

I do agree with you on the Southfield flight issue, but there are cities in metro Detroit where they are truly becoming diverse. The proof is that whites, blacks, and asians are moving into these cities all at once. Some cities that come to mind are Novi, Troy, Canton, and possibly Farmington Hills.

Back in the 1980's, everyone thought that Southfield was going to be the diverse suburb of the metro area, but as you pointed out, it has become a black majority over the years, especially the school district. At one time (1970's-80's) Southfield was very diverse. It was home to Jews, Armenians, Russians, African-American's, and many different Asian groups. Many of the Armenians, Jews, and Asians have slowly moved to the suburbs north and west of Southfield.

I also remember when Oak Park was known as the diverse suburb back in the 80's, it has also become an African-American majority.

It would be nice to see suburbs like Novi, Troy, Canton, etc stay diversified and not see the white flight which took place in Southfield and Oak Park.

As it was mentioned in another post, how long of a commute are people willing to do just to live in a segregated white city/township/neighborhood?