Detroit Pictures: 2009 vs. 2012 (Southfield, Holland, Eastpointe: tax, to live in, move to)

[jonnynonos]

Like which ones?

[313Weather]

Originally Posted by 313 TUxedo

A lot of Chicago's suburbs have had an equal, if not worse, collapse.

Apples and oranges.

(now comparing Chicago's suburbs to Detroit's suburbs, the suburbs of Detroit have, by far, been the hardest hit).

[313 TUxedo]

Originally Posted by jonnynonos

Like which ones?

Just off the top of my head (not a complete list) Phoenix, Dolton, Harvey, Robbins, Markham, Gary (IN - some would argue it is not a suburb), Chicago Heights and Ford Heights (note that the last two are not inner ring suburbs by any stretch of the imagination - they back up to farmland).
It's been awhile since I spent much time in Chicagoland, so I can't be sure, but Posen, South Holland, Hammond and University Park may have joined this list.

The only Detroit suburb that can remotely compare to Detroit proper is Highland Park. Even Ecorse and River Rouge have their better neighborhoods. Even the least desirable parts of Hamtramck, Inkster, Warren, Taylor, etc are still somewhat livable (worse for the investor than for the residents themselves).

[MS313]

Originally Posted by 313 TUxedo

Just off the top of my head (not a complete list) Phoenix, Dolton, Harvey, Robbins, Markham, Gary (IN - some would argue it is not a suburb), Chicago Heights and Ford Heights (note that the last two are not inner ring suburbs by any stretch of the imagination - they back up to farmland).
It's been awhile since I spent much time in Chicagoland, so I can't be sure, but Posen, South Holland, Hammond and University Park may have joined this list.

The only Detroit suburb that can remotely compare to Detroit proper is Highland Park. Even Ecorse and River Rouge have their better neighborhoods. Even the least desirable parts of Hamtramck, Inkster, Warren, Taylor, etc are still somewhat livable (worse for the investor than for the residents themselves).

Much of South Chicagoland is pretty bad.

Inkster is one ghetto suburb. Very comparable to the hoods in Detroit. Highland Park has it's nice parts here and there last time I checked and parts of Ecorse, River Rouge, and Warren, have parts that are very comparable to parts of Detroit. Don't know much about Taylor but Hamtramck is unique. And Detroit has better neighborhoods as well, some of which are much nicer than any neighborhood you will find any any of those suburbs you mention.

[jonnynonos]

Well, "bad" and "collapse" are pretty vague terms.

The original point of this thread was blight. I'm sure there are some muncipalities in this country that have as many abandoned homes as the more beat up parts of Detroit, but I doubt there are too many.

I have been through many "bad" neighborhoods where you might not want to be strolling around late at night, but, physically, they did not look all that bad, relatively speaking.

[detroit's own]

Originally Posted by 313 TUxedo

Just off the top of my head (not a complete list) Phoenix, Dolton, Harvey, Robbins, Markham, Gary (IN - some would argue it is not a suburb), Chicago Heights and Ford Heights (note that the last two are not inner ring suburbs by any stretch of the imagination - they back up to farmland).
It's been awhile since I spent much time in Chicagoland, so I can't be sure, but Posen, South Holland, Hammond and University Park may have joined this list.

The only Detroit suburb that can remotely compare to Detroit proper is Highland Park. Even Ecorse and River Rouge have their better neighborhoods. Even the least desirable parts of Hamtramck, Inkster, Warren, Taylor, etc are still somewhat livable (worse for the investor than for the residents themselves).

ha! this is far from true.

[313 TUxedo]

Originally Posted by detroit's own

ha! this is far from true.

Name one block in any of those communities that looks like the 14000s of Rochelle!

Problem is, the 8000s of Continental (Warren) are eerily reminiscent of the 14000s or Rochelle thirty years ago.

[detroit's own]

Originally Posted by 313 TUxedo

Name one block in any of those communities that looks like the 14000s of Rochelle!

Problem is, the 8000s of Continental (Warren) are eerily reminiscent of the 14000s or Rochelle thirty years ago.

I don't even know where Rochelle is, not off the top of my head. But if you mean abandoned, ha! parts of Hamtramck look just like it. Besides all of Detroit isn't filled with streets with 2 homes and lots. You can find neighborhoods in everyone one of those cities that look just like neighborhoods in Detroit. Matter of fact I can't think of one area in any of the cities you named comparable to Palmer Woods, Indian Village etc. HP only comparable city? yea ok

[detroit's own]

hell even HP historic neighborhood is more appealing than every city you named with the exception of Hamtramck

[MS313]

Comparing suburbs to city is kind of apples to oranges but Harrison street in Inkster south of Michigan Ave comes pretty close.

I don't even know where Rochelle is

Between Gratiot and Hayes a few blocks North of Houston-Whittier (Eastside)

I can't think of one area in any of the cities you named comparable to Palmer Woods, Indian Village etc.

There isn't. Which is why I say it's kind of apples to oranges.