06-28-2013, 08:07 AM
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Thanks! As of now, Berkley and Rochester/Hills and WB are our top. We still have a year to do our research and make our decision.
IMO those are three very different communities, so the choice should be easy.
Berkley is "small town America", little bungalow homes with a small downtown. Middle class (nothing fancy or crappy) and a small town vibe. Above average schools but schools are perhaps slipping a tiny bit. City proper has almost no diversity, but schools are very diverse (because schools include Oak Park, which is majority nonwhite).
Rochester Hills is "sprawlburbia". Upper middle class, bigger homes, kind of fancy in parts, but not really hoity-toity like Bloomfield-Birmingham. A bit of keeping up with the Jones'. Excellent schools, and probably only getting stronger. Proximity to some nice wooded trails and parks, and hilly in parts (rare for SE MI). Don't move here if you hate McMansions.
West Bloomfield is basically older 1970's/1980's "sprawlburbia". Very fancy in parts, so-so in other parts. Schools are good, but declining. Extremely diverse, both in township population and schools. Considered the Jewish center of Metro Detroit. Also very fast growing African American population. Lots of lakes and trees. Not as fancy as Bloomfield Hills or Bloomfield Township, and kind of considered "separate" from the real Bloomfields. Traffic sucks on Orchard Lake.
Based on what you've stated as preferences, I would go with an older community in Rochester Hills, closer to downtown Rochester.
06-28-2013, 09:05 AM
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You need to check boundary lines for the schools though. Rochester schools are better than Avondale. However, South of 59 is where you get more bang for your housing dollar. However, Rochester schools is not a school choice district (FYI). So, you can't move into Avondale district (where housing is cheaper), then decide you want a spot in Rochester schools.
Avondale district covers parts of Troy/Auburn Hills/Pontiac/Rochester Hills.
For the record, Avondale school district does not cover any of Pontiac. It covers Troy, Rochester Hills, Auburn Hills, and Bloomfield Township. Here is a copy of the district map:
http://avondale.mi.schoolwebpages.co...NoXzcwNy5wZGY=
Some Pontiac kids might go there because they allow a certain number of kids from other districts in because it is school of choice, but that's it.
I'm not sure why parents get so fanatical about school districts. As long as your child is of normal intelligence, they will succeed in any middle-class school district. I grew up in a small middle-class town in Lapeer county called Dryden (technically I lived in Dryden township) and attended a school district that was fine but it wasn't "the best." It actually ranks at a 6/10 on greatschools.org, while Avondale ranks at a 8/10. Somehow my sister and I pulled through and managed to survive our lower-ranked school district and earn Bachelor's degrees. I had always heard other people put down Dryden schools growing up, but lo and behold, when I attended college and had to peer-edit essays of classmates who attended "great schools," I was shocked by how horrible many of them were and how they didn't understand the basics of writing. What I'm trying to say is, as long as you have a reasonably smart child, they will succeed in whatever school district you put them in.
To the OP: I think you will be happiest in Rochester Hills. You can live in a newer house and still be close enough to consider Rochester proper your downtown. The downsides are the commute would be longish and it might be difficult to find what you are looking for in your price range.
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06-28-2013, 09:40 AM
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Thanks. This helps a lot. The more feed back we are getting, Rochester Hills seems to fit our needs/wants the most. Can you tell me the difference between Rochester and Rochester Hills. We are not familiar with any of these areas down there, so this is all quite helpful.
Another question off topic...I am new to this. How to I "Quote" a feedback to respond to that person?
Also,
we may be thinking of renting prior to our one year, just to get us closer sooner and to give us time to see what we really like. Any suggestions in the Rochester Hills area or elsewhere that anyone could recommend? We would need a 3 bedroom.
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06-28-2013, 09:55 AM
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Rochester proper has more of an small-town, old-timey feel to it. It has a cute downtown and the houses are historical. Rochester Hills has the newer homes, larger lots, and more nature areas. Both are equally nice, so it really comes down to personal preference. Would you rather live in a beautiful old home in a quaint downtown area, or would you rather live in a new home, on a larger lot, and drive 5 minutes to get to town? Basically, Rochester is historic small town, and Rochester Hills is its suburban counterpart.
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06-28-2013, 10:07 AM
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Rochester proper has more of an small-town, old-timey feel to it. It has a cute downtown and the houses are historical. Rochester Hills has the newer homes, larger lots, and more nature areas. Both are equally nice, so it really comes down to personal preference. Would you rather live in a beautiful old home in a quaint downtown area, or would you rather live in a new home, on a larger lot, and drive 5 minutes to get to town? Basically, Rochester is historic small town, and Rochester Hills is its suburban counterpart.
What about Sterling Heights as an option?
06-28-2013, 10:09 AM
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IMO those are three very different communities, so the choice should be easy.
Berkley is "small town America", little bungalow homes with a small downtown. Middle class (nothing fancy or crappy) and a small town vibe. Above average schools but schools are perhaps slipping a tiny bit. City proper has almost no diversity, but schools are very diverse (because schools include Oak Park, which is majority nonwhite).
Rochester Hills is "sprawlburbia". Upper middle class, bigger homes, kind of fancy in parts, but not really hoity-toity like Bloomfield-Birmingham. A bit of keeping up with the Jones'. Excellent schools, and probably only getting stronger. Proximity to some nice wooded trails and parks, and hilly in parts (rare for SE MI). Don't move here if you hate McMansions.
West Bloomfield is basically older 1970's/1980's "sprawlburbia". Very fancy in parts, so-so in other parts. Schools are good, but declining. Extremely diverse, both in township population and schools. Considered the Jewish center of Metro Detroit. Also very fast growing African American population. Lots of lakes and trees. Not as fancy as Bloomfield Hills or Bloomfield Township, and kind of considered "separate" from the real Bloomfields. Traffic sucks on Orchard Lake.
Based on what you've stated as preferences, I would go with an older community in Rochester Hills, closer to downtown Rochester.
What about Sterling Heights? Amd how do these all fair for commute to Detroit? Where would you live given all scenerios? Also, my budget may be off
my husband and I make six figures. Low six figures. So idk what that would get us. Thanks for you help and thoughts.
06-28-2013, 10:19 AM
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What about Sterling Heights as an option?
Sterling Heights is not as scenic and pretty as the Rochester area, but it is still nice. In Sterling Heights, you can get a bigger house for less money. The commute time would probably be comparable, depending where in Detroit your husband's job is and how close your home is to an expressway on-ramp. Troy borders Rochester Hills and Sterling Heights and is definitely nicer and more scenic, however it will cost more. With your income, though, I think you could find something in Rochester or Troy.
06-28-2013, 10:43 AM
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Also, if you are considering outside of Oakland County, I would suggest a closer look at the Grosse Pointes. They have shortest commute to downtown Detroit you will find, beautiful homes, waterfront resident-only parks, good schools, and cute downtown areas. Prices are comparable to Troy and Rochester. Most homes were built pre-1950s, though.
06-28-2013, 10:52 AM
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Also, if you are considering outside of Oakland County, I would suggest a closer look at the Grosse Pointes. They have shortest commute to downtown Detroit you will find, beautiful homes, waterfront resident-only parks, good schools, and cute downtown areas. Prices are comparable to Troy and Rochester. Most homes were built pre-1950s, though.
I did think about that area too. However, from reading post on this forum, I have read that there is not a place to eat or shop and that in order to find a restaurant or shopping mall you have to drive elsewhere. But it is also on the list. We honestly just need to take a day and go take a drive to all of our cities on our list and see. But this is all so helpful and will play a role in our decicion making as well. Nothing like personal opinions.
06-28-2013, 01:39 PM
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What about Sterling Heights? Amd how do these all fair for commute to Detroit? Where would you live given all scenerios? Also, my budget may be off
my husband and I make six figures. Low six figures. So idk what that would get us. Thanks for you help and thoughts.
IMO Sterling Heights is not super-nice. It's fine and all, but flat, few trees, and kind of featureless. It doesn't compare to Rochester Hills. Schools aren't as good, stores aren't as nice, and not as affluent.
It's middle-middle class, and not really new suburbia or older suburbia. It's kind of in-the-middle suburbia. Perfectly fine, but not an "aspirational" community.
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People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)