Moving to Detroit from Chicago... (Warren, Pontiac: home, to live, young professionals)

[313Weather]

Originally Posted by scolls

It's also ironic that since then, Detroit has poached Campbell-Ewald from Warren.

You just summed up the ****ed-up culture of "SE Michigan" in that one sentence.

1. Working towards building a healthy urban core that would benefit all in this region is considered "poaching" around here (never mind the fact that using your logic, Warren first "poached" Campwell-Ewald from Detroit back in the 1970s).

2. Campbell-Ewald decided on its own accord to move downtown. For one, their clients are located in downtown Detroit. For two, I'm sure they're having trouble attracting younger talent to the utopia known as Warren, Michigan. Meanwhile, Jim Fouts announced it to the media that he wanted GM to move to Warren.

[scolls]

Originally Posted by Seatown1

the further you are from Detroit city limits, the better off you'll be.

This is why I recommend Pontiac. It's further away from Detroit than Grosse Pointe, Birmingham, or Bloomfield.

[scolls]

Originally Posted by 313Weather

You just summed up the ****ed-up culture of "SE Michigan" in that one sentence.

1. Working towards building a healthy urban core that would benefit all in this region is considered "poaching" around here (never mind the fact that using your logic, Warren first "poached" Campwell-Ewald from Detroit back in the 1970s).

2. Campbell-Ewald decided on its own accord to move downtown. For one, their clients are located in downtown Detroit. For two, I'm sure they're having trouble attracting younger talent to the utopia known as Warren, Michigan. Meanwhile, Jim Fouts announced it to the media that he wanted GM to move to Warren.

Rumor surfaced that GM wanted to move to North Carolina. To keep them in state Jim Fouts suggested they move to Warren. He wasn't trying to take them from Detroit. If they were going to leave Detroit anyways, why not Warren? You do realize he is the mayor of Warren and his duty is to work for the citizens of Warren?

Campbell-Ewald is a dying company anyways. GM forced them out to Warren. I'm sure young talent is lining up to move to Detroit. I don't even know what major contracts they have since they lost Chevrolet. I know they still have Cadillac which is technically headquartered in Warren. The ****ed up culture is that everyone wants to take jobs from neighboring cities and no one is creating jobs. All these jobs moving downtown are just coming from the suburbs.

[313Weather]

Originally Posted by scolls

Rumor surfaced that GM wanted to move to North Carolina. To keep them in state Jim Fouts suggested they move to Warren. He wasn't trying to take them from Detroit. If they were going to leave Detroit anyways, why not Warren? You do realize he is the mayor of Warren and his duty is to work for the citizens of Warren?

First off, let's get your facts straight.

There was NEVER a rumor that GM wanted to move to North Carolina, or anywhere else. They merely stated during the bankruptcy restructuring back in May of 2009 that they were OPEN to relocation. It's like when Kevyn Orr says he's OPEN to selling the DIA art during Detroit's bankruptcy restructuring. That doesn't actually mean he has plans TO sell the DIA art.

IF there were any plans of GM relocating anywhere, Detroit should have been the first one to try and keep them here, given that GM was actually based IN Detroit, and the fact that having GM based in the region's urban core would make it that much healthier and would be THAT much of a positive for the region as a whole.

J. Foutsie if anything comes across as a foolish jackass to anyone who lives outside of "SE Michigan", and it reflects poorly on the region when the suburbs of a region would gladly cannibalize its central city.

Originally Posted by scolls

Campbell-Ewald is a dying company anyways.

Campbell-Ewald is only dying in the same vein that GM is dying. What do you expect to happen to a company when its biggest client files for bankruptcy and said company loses that client? Either way, however you feel about Campwell-Ewald doesn't change the fact that Detroit will be gaining tax revenue as well as more commuters and a higher daytime population when the move is complete in 2014. It speaks even more volume that they didn't announce this move until an out-of-state company that has absolutely no ties to Michigan's provincialism purchased Campwell-Ewald.

Lowe and Partners - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Originally Posted by scolls

I don't even know what major contracts they have since they lost Chevrolet.

This website shows that they still have a ton of clients. None are as big as the Chevrolet account was, but they're not necessarily starving for contract either.

Campbell Ewald - Clients

Originally Posted by scolls

The ****ed up culture is that everyone wants to take jobs from neighboring cities and no one is creating jobs. All these jobs moving downtown are just coming from the suburbs.

The fact is, anyone outside of Michigan sees "SE Michigan" and even Michigan as Detroit, not Warren or Auburn Hills. It doesn't look good to the region as a whole when the urban core is viewed as a post-apocalyptic hellhole. In order to attract outside investment dollars to the region, the people of Michigan must first indicate that they actually give some type of damn about their state's major city, given that until now it's been starved to death of any capital investment. Whether you like it or not, this will require some centralization of the state's and region's economy back into Detroit.

[313Weather]

Originally Posted by scolls

This is why I recommend Pontiac. It's further away from Detroit than Grosse Pointe, Birmingham, or Bloomfield.

And this is why I recommend that people think twice before moving to Michigan from a great city like Chicago.

[jonnynonos]

". It doesn't look good to the region as a whole when the urban core is viewed as a post-apocalyptic hellhole. In order to attract outside investment dollars to the region, the people of Michigan must first indicate that they actually give some type of damn about their state's major city, given that until now it's been starved to death of any capital investment. Whether you like it or not, this will require some centralization of the state's and region's economy back into Detroit."

I totally agree with most of that. That is why people who are saying "sell the DIA artwork" are so nuts. It's a lose-lose-lose in every way.

Campell-Ewald isn't the hippest of ad agencies, but most businesses in that field desire some degree of a cosmopolitan facade.

Detroit is supposed to be that part of Michigan, and if it doesn't rise to the challenge it can count on losing a lot more businesses that seek out some sort of wordly and cosmopolitan environment.

A lot of people in Michigan don't get this. They don't seem to appreciate the fact that the entire world isn't an industrial freeway corridor and that when you are competing for large international businesses, you need a lot to offer.

Of course the city of Detroit is a pretty long way from competing for large international businesses at the moment, but that should be where the sights are set.

[scolls]

Originally Posted by 313Weather

First off, let's get your facts straight.

There was NEVER a rumor that GM wanted to move to North Carolina, or anywhere else. They merely stated during the bankruptcy restructuring back in May of 2009 that they were OPEN to relocation. It's like when Kevyn Orr says he's OPEN to selling the DIA art during Detroit's bankruptcy restructuring. That doesn't actually mean he has plans TO sell the DIA art.

IF there were any plans of GM relocating anywhere, Detroit should have been the first one to try and keep them here, given that GM was actually based IN Detroit, and the fact that having GM based in the region's urban core would make it that much healthier and would be THAT much of a positive for the region as a whole.

J. Foutsie if anything comes across as a foolish jackass to anyone who lives outside of "SE Michigan", and it reflects poorly on the region when the suburbs of a region would gladly cannibalize its central city.



Campbell-Ewald is only dying in the same vein that GM is dying. What do you expect to happen to a company when its biggest client files for bankruptcy and said company loses that client? Either way, however you feel about Campwell-Ewald doesn't change the fact that Detroit will be gaining tax revenue as well as more commuters and a higher daytime population when the move is complete in 2014. It speaks even more volume that they didn't announce this move until an out-of-state company that has absolutely no ties to Michigan's provincialism purchased Campwell-Ewald.

Lowe and Partners - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



This website shows that they still have a ton of clients. None are as big as the Chevrolet account was, but they're not necessarily starving for contract either.

Campbell Ewald - Clients



The fact is, anyone outside of Michigan sees "SE Michigan" and even Michigan as Detroit, not Warren or Auburn Hills. It doesn't look good to the region as a whole when the urban core is viewed as a post-apocalyptic hellhole. In order to attract outside investment dollars to the region, the people of Michigan must first indicate that they actually give some type of damn about their state's major city, given that until now it's been starved to death of any capital investment. Whether you like it or not, this will require some centralization of the state's and region's economy back into Detroit.

Yes GM was talking about moving out of Detroit. One of the places was North Carolina. Just like Kevin Orr is throwing out the idea of selling the art, someone has to buy it. If there were any plans of relocating, Flint should be the location given that they actually started in Flint and moved to Detroit.

Fouts is eccentric and a drama queen, but things get done in Warren. Warren is experiencing the same issues as Detroit such as declining population, white flight, blight, rising unemployment, poverty, aging housing stock, yet Warren is bankrupt and busting at the seams. Fouts has created one of the toughest blight enforcement policies in the region and has put code enforcement officers on the streets. He went after Walmart to do something with Tech Plaza and has welcomed the blacks and foreigners moving into Warren.

Campbell-Ewald recently laid off a bunch of people. Chevrolet dumped them a few years removed from bankruptcy.

[313Weather]

Originally Posted by scolls

Fouts is eccentric and a drama queen

I think we can agree there.

Once the Jim Foutses, L Brooks Pattersons, Randy Richardvilles, Joann Watsons, John Conyerses and Coleman Youngs die off, things will be so much better around here.

[scolls]

Yea how dare Jim Fouts and L Brooks Patterson look after the people who voted for them and who they are supposed to represent. Besides the GM issue (which is marginal) what has Fouts done to hurt Detroit?

[detroit's own]

Originally Posted by geographystudies

This is the challenge with Detroit. Suburbs have been the desirable living area for the last fifty years. Detroit needs to accept the new normal and plan around how to make it work. If Detroit refuses to do that, it may continue this long decline. For the first time in 50 years, people are moving back into the cities. They just aren't doing it in Detroit.

You don't have to love the mindset that drives people to live in the suburbs, but hating them won't bring them back to the city. I'm sorry for what you've lost, and I'll avoid this thread since I expect the response will be an attack. Best of luck to you, I truly hope Detroit can shift course and recover.

accept the new normal? Most of the suburbs are a joke to people outside of MI. Only Michiganders honestly believe Warren is desirable. I see so many "its only bad if you live close to 8 mile" but truth is Warren is horrible....all of it