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Old 06-27-2014, 09:48 PM
 
Location: southern california
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detroit is up for some mega changes. i think that the inability to meet its basic needs even with massive federal intervention will soon change. rumor has it the chinese are coming.
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Old 06-27-2014, 11:24 PM
 
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In other cities, if you don't pay, after a certain point they will shut it off. As long as people keep paying, work out some kind of payment plan they won't shut it off. Letting it go for many months, making no arrangements to pay, what can they really expect? Water and sewer isn't anymore free than electricity is. They say they have a right to it? So then why should anyone pay for it? Why should responsible folks struggling to keep things going continue paying? Certainly they could use the money for something else, like gasoline and food. These folks apparently still have electricity and are paying something on that bill, and they couldn't do the same with the water bill? Everyone should stop paying if it's now a right and can be had for free. If you want free water, live in a rural area with a well and septic system.

The UN should stay out of this, don't they have enough to muck up and keep them busy. Detroit is not a 3rd world country, it's a mess for sure, but there are many poor folks in this country living below the poverty line. They say; "Disconnection of water services because of failure to pay constitutes a violation of the human right to water and other International human rights." I find that amusing since I know people in 3rd world countries and know that if they don't pay their services will be cut off. And they don't let it go for months and months before cutting them off either. Their choice is then to hike a long ways and bring back awful looking water they must boil before using and even then it's not safe and can make people sick.

How about using all that money for that stupid M-1 train for more important things? I don't hear the UN talking about this foolish project or other decisions of the city clowncil.

M-1 Rail gets approval from Detroit City Council; Construction to begin in July | News - Home
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Old 06-28-2014, 01:19 AM
 
Location: Detroit Michigan
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detroit is up for some mega changes. i think that the inability to meet its basic needs even with massive federal intervention will soon change. rumor has it the chinese are coming.
How is shutting off someone's water for failure to pay even a penny on their bill demonstrate an Inability of the city of Detroit to meet people's basic needs?
How is it the cities responsibility to pay for those who choose not to pay their bill with Free water?
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Old 06-28-2014, 03:13 AM
 
Location: North of Canada, but not the Arctic
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please describe the republican jobs plan - should be easy enough for you.
I (and most Republicans) don't believe it is the government's job to create jobs. Their job is to ensure that jobs can be created by the private sector. If you aren't aware, most jobs in this country are in the private, not government, sector. I would agree that the Republican party, like the Democrat party have failed to keep the US on a level playing field with other countries (ie. require foreign products sold here to be made in accordance with our labor, environmental, and tax laws). That is why I support a tax on imports (which most Republicans and Democrats do not support).

As for tax breaks, I support them for rich and poor, business and labor. Taxes should be placed on what is hurting us (imports), not on what is helping us (income).

Unfortunately, the Democrat Party is not the pro-labor, pro-jobs party that you dream it is. They have done nothing to help keep jobs in cities like Detroit. Their so-called "pro-labor" stance has done more harm than good. They are just as complicit at driving low-tier jobs from this country.
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Old 06-28-2014, 11:31 AM
 
Location: Detroit
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How about using all that money for that stupid M-1 train for more important things? I don't hear the UN talking about this foolish project or other decisions of the city clowncil.

M-1 Rail gets approval from Detroit City Council; Construction to begin in July | News - Home
Because the M-1 light rail is funded privately I believe. A.K.A, those rich people can spend their money on whatever they want and this is really not their problem.
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Old 06-28-2014, 01:54 PM
 
Location: North of Canada, but not the Arctic
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Because the M-1 light rail is funded privately I believe. A.K.A, those rich people can spend their money on whatever they want and this is really not their problem.
...including $25 million of taxpayer dollars... City of Detroit | Detroit Free Press | freep.com
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Old 06-28-2014, 03:28 PM
 
Location: west mich
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I (and most Republicans) don't believe it is the government's job to create jobs. Their job is to ensure that jobs can be created by the private sector. If you aren't aware, most jobs in this country are in the private, not government, sector. I would agree that the Republican party, like the Democrat party have failed to keep the US on a level playing field with other countries (ie. require foreign products sold here to be made in accordance with our labor, environmental, and tax laws). That is why I support a tax on imports (which most Republicans and Democrats do not support).

As for tax breaks, I support them for rich and poor, business and labor. Taxes should be placed on what is hurting us (imports), not on what is helping us (income).

Unfortunately, the Democrat Party is not the pro-labor, pro-jobs party that you dream it is. They have done nothing to help keep jobs in cities like Detroit. Their so-called "pro-labor" stance has done more harm than good. They are just as complicit at driving low-tier jobs from this country.
So this is your defense of Republican congressional obstructionism and doing nothing else for six years?
Wrong, the "Democrat" Party is pro-labor but also has a handful of yellow dogs (Republicon DINOs) in it, which saves Republicon bacon from time to time.
Conservative trickle-down policies have driven jobs from the country for the benefit of their investor-class base - and no one else.
You don't like government "interference" but gladly accept corporate welfare and tax breaks for the wealthy? Why is the wealthy conservative base so "dependent" upon government? What about that much-vaunted "personal responsibility" so touted by the Right?
http://www.cato.org/publications/pol...-us-businesses
http://www.progress.org/tpr/taxpayer...is-squandered/

OK it's true that some hardline moderate Republicans are against such "handouts" but your sorry corporate-owned media cabal, including Faux News, won't say much about this.
You don't think the government should create jobs, so what are all those tax breaks for? It is government "interference" in the marketplace. You really don't believe government has a place in economic stimulus? Seriously? What about government-created jobs for the crumbling infrastructure which your heroes in Congress have sabotaged? Should we wait for some corporation to make "free market" decisions on things like this? Privatized roads and bridges okay by you?

Conservative deregulation is what led to the economic crash of 2008 which required taxpayer bailout of the "too big to fail" banks. Our banking industry is dominated by a handful of institutions which have the power to destroy our economy while holding the American taxpayer hostage, and who have discovered that mergers, i.e. monopolistic cabals (like Big Oil and even "territorial" ISPs), increase their power and control of markets. Thanks to repub obstructionism, they are back to their old tricks. Conservatives, republicon or democrat, don't want "big government" interfering with this "free market" process which tolerates collusion.

Per the Constitution, government is to oversee citizenry's "general welfare" and rule by corporations is economic fascism while rule by the wealthy is plutocracy - both of which are anti-democracy and are also endorsed by the rightist media, including Faux News. Why do y'all righties constantly crow about the Constitution while ignoring the parts you don't like?
Yeah, government "of the people" is required for lots of things, including the economy and the well-being of the poor, and whatever else is needed for the citizen's "general welfare", including employment. After years of the conservative corporate-sponsored trickle-down panacea, why do you righties continue to single out Obama for high unemployment numbers?
Since Congressmen respond to their investor-class patrons who favor trickle-down outsourcing, corporate lobbyists have gained control of government thanks to this sorry donor system of campaign finance favored mostly by repubs who obstruct all attempts at reform. This is what causes poverty and unemployment whether in Detroit or anywhere else. Detroit just happened to be the center of, and highly dependent on, outsourceable manufacturing.

There is nothing "of the people" in either plutocracy or corporate special-interest "free market" control of government. Both are oligarchies.

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Old 06-28-2014, 04:17 PM
 
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...including $25 million of taxpayer dollars... City of Detroit | Detroit Free Press | freep.com
The Light Rail Project is economic stimulus for the Woodward corridor and will bring more traffic to and from commercial and residential ventures along the avenue. It will promote business growth and increased spending along that corridor by bringing foot traffic to the area. It will help revive Detroit by improving a corridor and providing a basis for revitalization to spread outward from.

Do you have an idea for that $25 million that will do more to benefit Detroit? If so, please share.
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Old 06-29-2014, 06:02 PM
 
Location: west mich
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Correction on my previous post: I meant "blue dog democrats" as occasional DINOs.
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Old 06-30-2014, 01:21 PM
 
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So this is your defense of Republican congressional obstructionism and doing nothing else for six years?
Wrong, the "Democrat" Party is pro-labor but also has a handful of yellow dogs (Republicon DINOs) in it, which saves Republicon bacon from time to time.
Conservative trickle-down policies have driven jobs from the country for the benefit of their investor-class base - and no one else.
You don't like government "interference" but gladly accept corporate welfare and tax breaks for the wealthy? Why is the wealthy conservative base so "dependent" upon government? What about that much-vaunted "personal responsibility" so touted by the Right?
The Corporate Welfare State: How the Federal Government Subsidizes U.S. Businesses | Cato Institute
Taxpayers Deserve to Know How Their Money is Squandered » The Progress Report

OK it's true that some hardline moderate Republicans are against such "handouts" but your sorry corporate-owned media cabal, including Faux News, won't say much about this.
You don't think the government should create jobs, so what are all those tax breaks for? It is government "interference" in the marketplace. You really don't believe government has a place in economic stimulus? Seriously? What about government-created jobs for the crumbling infrastructure which your heroes in Congress have sabotaged? Should we wait for some corporation to make "free market" decisions on things like this? Privatized roads and bridges okay by you?

Conservative deregulation is what led to the economic crash of 2008 which required taxpayer bailout of the "too big to fail" banks. Our banking industry is dominated by a handful of institutions which have the power to destroy our economy while holding the American taxpayer hostage, and who have discovered that mergers, i.e. monopolistic cabals (like Big Oil and even "territorial" ISPs), increase their power and control of markets. Thanks to repub obstructionism, they are back to their old tricks. Conservatives, republicon or democrat, don't want "big government" interfering with this "free market" process which tolerates collusion.

Per the Constitution, government is to oversee citizenry's "general welfare" and rule by corporations is economic fascism while rule by the wealthy is plutocracy - both of which are anti-democracy and are also endorsed by the rightist media, including Faux News. Why do y'all righties constantly crow about the Constitution while ignoring the parts you don't like?
Yeah, government "of the people" is required for lots of things, including the economy and the well-being of the poor, and whatever else is needed for the citizen's "general welfare", including employment. After years of the conservative corporate-sponsored trickle-down panacea, why do you righties continue to single out Obama for high unemployment numbers?
Since Congressmen respond to their investor-class patrons who favor trickle-down outsourcing, corporate lobbyists have gained control of government thanks to this sorry donor system of campaign finance favored mostly by repubs who obstruct all attempts at reform. This is what causes poverty and unemployment whether in Detroit or anywhere else. Detroit just happened to be the center of, and highly dependent on, outsourceable manufacturing.

There is nothing "of the people" in either plutocracy or corporate special-interest "free market" control of government. Both are oligarchies.
Ya, democrats never stopped any republican legislation from going thru when Reagan, Bush1 and Bush
2 where pres right??/ LOL
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