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Old 07-23-2015, 09:58 AM
 
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My goodness, you are just bound and determined to be right!
Look, there isn't as much room for building new tract homes in older suburbs; not many empty lots available, either. It's cheaper to build in a huge development. Some young families prefer a new house.
There are those who perceive "every body is doing it," and "everybody knows this," as meaning that good reasoning skills are involved. It's easier than thinking things through for yourself! Lots of people head for the longest checkout line when there are empty ones open, too! Hey, everyone is doing it, it must be a good idea! And it's also true that there are more "mcmansions" in the suburbs you mentioned. Some young people are of the impression that this means that they are better off living there because...well...everybody says so, right! Think for yourself!
An enormous school district is consolidating because many of us don't have little kids anymore. Our generation was a huge one. This means there will be less old buildings to maintain, and that is a very good thing! There are a whole lot of young families moving in; many, many families have preschoolers, toddlers and babies. Home values are RISING! And most of us "baby boomers" aren't going anywhere!
No need to get so defensive. Frankly, I'm not sure who you're trying to convince other than yourself. If FH/FPS is a great fit for you and your family, I say cheers. I'm just pointing out the trends and demographic data and how it relates to perception of various districts because it's of interest to me. It is called CityDATA after all.
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Old 07-23-2015, 10:19 AM
 
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LOL, most people aren't taking the time to post here! I happen to have the time and inclination right now.
Foolish reasoning presented as fact becomes annoying, Arthur. "Groupthink" presented as fact is childish. Everyone doesn't think identically to you, your momma, daddy, and friends, like it or not, believe it or not. Well, there may be a few other grouches out there...

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Old 07-23-2015, 10:24 AM
 
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Data can often be manipulated to tell whatever story you wish it to tell
I guess if this helps you sleep at night, then keep telling yourself this. Who knew?
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Old 07-23-2015, 10:27 AM
 
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Uhh, no. The state of Michigan has reduced funding for education across the state. WTF are you on about?

Novi Community Schools concerned about potential school aid budget
So your allegation is that people in Michigan aren't having babies because the state of Michigan has reduced funding for education?

Besides that fact that Michigan has significantly increased school funding in recent years, that makes no sense on any level. People don't decide to start families based on the vagaries of annual school funding allotments.

Plenty of districts are growing (see Northville, South Lyon, Novi) and plenty of districts are declining (see FH, Southfield, Livonia) and the reason is because families prefer high-performing districts, and run away from lower performing districts. If familes wanted FH schools then they would move there, but guess what, they don't.
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Old 07-23-2015, 10:32 AM
 
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Literally no matter what school district you look at, public school enrollment rates are declining.
Is that why South Lyon schools have booming enrollment, are opening four new schools, have a brand new high school, and already plan on expanding that new high school?

Or maybe that's why Novi school enrollment has grown by something like 50% over the last 20 years?

Or why Northville schools have also shown significant enrollment growth, including new schools, in recent years?
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Old 07-23-2015, 10:41 AM
 
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So your allegation is that people in Michigan aren't having babies because the state of Michigan has reduced funding for education?

Besides that fact that Michigan has significantly increased school funding in recent years, that makes no sense on any level. People don't decide to start families based on the vagaries of annual school funding allotments.

Plenty of districts are growing (see Northville, South Lyon, Novi) and plenty of districts are declining (see FH, Southfield, Livonia) and the reason is because families prefer high-performing districts, and run away from lower performing districts. If familes wanted FH schools then they would move there, but guess what, they don't.
Northville, South Lyon and Novi have had lots of vacant land for new mcmansion development (on miniature lots). Not as much space in the older suburbs for new homes.
What would you know about it? Have you ever bought a home here? Are you home from school without enough to do?
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Old 07-23-2015, 10:46 AM
 
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So your allegation is that people in Michigan aren't having babies because the state of Michigan has reduced funding for education?

Besides that fact that Michigan has significantly increased school funding in recent years, that makes no sense on any level. People don't decide to start families based on the vagaries of annual school funding allotments.

Plenty of districts are growing (see Northville, South Lyon, Novi) and plenty of districts are declining (see FH, Southfield, Livonia) and the reason is because families prefer high-performing districts, and run away from lower performing districts. If familes wanted FH schools then they would move there, but guess what, they don't.
Michigan families are opting to put their kids in charter and private schools rather than public schools. Pretty sure Michigan has been reducing school funding.
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Old 07-23-2015, 10:51 AM
 
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A quick look at the data shows that Novi, Northville and Rochester districts have all seen increased enrollment since 2005.
Yea, but only by like 1-200 students each. The population growth of those cities have been far faster than what the growth of public school enrollment would suggest. Either that or these cities aren't being driven by traditional suburban families.
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Old 07-23-2015, 11:52 AM
 
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Northville, South Lyon and Novi have had lots of vacant land for new mcmansion development (on miniature lots). Not as much space in the older suburbs for new homes.
What would you know about it? Have you ever bought a home here? Are you home from school without enough to do?

While some expansion in Novi is indeed due to new builds, there is far less property left than you think. Certainly less than S. Lyon. And if lack of available land to build is the main factor, why are Birmingham schools not encountering the same enrollment declines as Farmington?

Again, much of it is perception. You, quite obviously, think Farmington schools are as good as they get. But the declines in enrollment show that the vast majority of young families do not put Farmington (and Livonia and Clarenceville) on their short list of school districts to consider. Farmington and Livonia schools used to be THE top-notch districts on the west side, but have not been for quite some time. That's not really up for debate.
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Old 07-23-2015, 11:54 AM
 
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Yea, but only by like 1-200 students each. The population growth of those cities have been far faster than what the growth of public school enrollment would suggest. Either that or these cities aren't being driven by traditional suburban families.
I don't have the stats handy, but the population growth has been in the single digits for all of those, I believe. Only communities with lots of new builds like S Lyon have seen the population explosion. Contrary to popular belief, Novi and Northville are mostly built up by now.
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