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Old 07-23-2015, 11:59 AM
 
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LOL, most people aren't taking the time to post here! I happen to have the time and inclination right now.
Foolish reasoning presented as fact becomes annoying, Arthur. "Groupthink" presented as fact is childish. Everyone doesn't think identically to you, your momma, daddy, and friends, like it or not, believe it or not. Well, there may be a few other grouches out there...
No, not everyone. But the fact is that far fewer people want to send their children to Farmington schools, for whatever reasons. Can't really argue that, mgkeith.
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Old 07-23-2015, 12:02 PM
 
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No, not everyone. But the fact is that far fewer people want to send their children to Farmington schools, for whatever reasons. Can't really argue that, mgkeith.
This is almost all school districts in SE MI. Can you find a district that has been opening new schools recently? I think it's more of a regional issue, it seems. My wife and I live in Farmington and know other couples our age (late 20s/early 30s) that either have moved here or are planning to move here. All are educated professionals and most are planning to have kids and view the school district as a positive.
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Old 07-23-2015, 12:05 PM
 
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While some expansion in Novi is indeed due to new builds, there is far less property left than you think. Certainly less than S. Lyon. And if lack of available land to build is the main factor, why are Birmingham schools not encountering the same enrollment declines as Farmington?

Again, much of it is perception. You, quite obviously, think Farmington schools are as good as they get. But the declines in enrollment show that the vast majority of young families do not put Farmington (and Livonia and Clarenceville) on their short list of school districts to consider. Farmington and Livonia schools used to be THE top-notch districts on the west side, but have not been for quite some time. That's not really up for debate.

One salient question in regards to people on this thread who feel a need to disparage another city; WHY? There is far too much of this on this forum, it's totally unnecessary, tends towards gross exaggeration and speaks of...well, again, I`ll keep that insight to myself. Look, I have my own opinions of other cities and suburban areas, but if the residents enjoy it there, so be it. WHY put down another community? It doesn't improve yours, nor does it make you sound enlightened. What's in it for you?
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Old 07-23-2015, 12:09 PM
 
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One salient question in regards to people on this thread who feel a need to disparage another city; WHY? There is far too much of this on this forum, it's totally unnecessary, tends towards gross exaggeration and speaks of...well, again, I`ll keep that insight to myself. Look, I have my own opinions of other cities and suburban areas, but if the residents enjoy it there, so be it. WHY put down another community? It doesn't improve yours, nor does it make you sound enlightened. What's in it for you?
I'm not disparaging anything. It's analysis backed by data.
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Old 07-23-2015, 12:20 PM
 
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I'm not disparaging anything. It's analysis backed by data.
And, as you have mentioned yourself, many, many times before---data certainly doesn't tell the whole story. So it's unusual that you are waving that flag so hard right now. WHY? What's this doing for you?
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Old 07-23-2015, 12:25 PM
 
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And, as you have mentioned yourself, many, many times before---data certainly doesn't tell the whole story. So it's unusual that you are waving that flag so hard right now. WHY? What's this doing for you?
No it doesn't. That's where the analysis part comes in.

Why? Well, it's a message board on a site called "CityData." So....you know... If you're not into discussing data and cities....
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Old 07-23-2015, 12:29 PM
 
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This is almost all school districts in SE MI. Can you find a district that has been opening new schools recently? I think it's more of a regional issue, it seems. My wife and I live in Farmington and know other couples our age (late 20s/early 30s) that either have moved here or are planning to move here. All are educated professionals and most are planning to have kids and view the school district as a positive.
That's a fair point. I think you have to look at the community and what is driving growth or decline. Expanding communities like S Lyon should expect growth and new construction. Mature communities (like FH, B-ham, Livonia, Plymouth, Northville) should expect to see enrollment be relatively flat.
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Old 07-23-2015, 12:37 PM
 
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Northville, South Lyon and Novi have had lots of vacant land for new mcmansion development (on miniature lots). Not as much space in the older suburbs for new homes.
Birmingham schools have increased enrollment too. There hasn't been vacant land for development in Birmingham for 50 years now. How do you explain that?

And Northville and Novi don't have much land available for development. Novi district, especially, is basically built out. Northville Twp. has a tiny bit of available land.

South Lyon, yes, there's lots of empty land, but people wouldn't be buying homes there in the first place if they didn't think the schools were good. There's lots of empty land in other districts, yet little growth. So why is everyone building subdivisions up and down 10 Mile if they don't prefer the schools?

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What would you know about it? Have you ever bought a home here? Are you home from school without enough to do?
What does this have to do with anything? Your refusal to acknowledge school enrollment data, and to resort to silly attacks is quite telling.
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Old 07-23-2015, 12:40 PM
 
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No it doesn't. That's where the analysis part comes in.

Why? Well, it's a message board on a site called "CityData." So....you know... If you're not into discussing data and cities....
Analysis needs to be paired with common sense. At this point no one's inquiries are being addressed.
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Old 07-23-2015, 01:12 PM
 
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Analysis needs to be paired with common sense. At this point no one's inquiries are being addressed.
Common sense...opinions.

Potato...potatoe.
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