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Old 04-02-2016, 03:49 PM
 
Location: Detroit
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no one in Detroit would ever make comparisons to San Fransisco.
I hope Detroit never gets as ridiculous as SF. Ugh.

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LOL, no. Lafayette Park is most definitely downtown Detroit.

Is that the newest excuse? Now that "Detroit has no apartments available" failed, "$700 is high rent" failed, "real estate ads are all lies" failed, now it's "Lafayette Park isn't downtown, it's more Roseville, I think".

So now your claim is that Lafayette Park "doesn't count" because you are only counting buildings within the freeway loop. That means there are only 2 buildings in downtown Detroit built since the 1920's. The only buildings built within the freeway loop over the past century are Detroit City Apartments (the old Trolley Plaza) and Millender Center (which is basically just corporate apartments for GM employees).

And since Millender Center doesn't really rent much to the public, because GM, we're talking ONE apartment building = downtown Detroit, according to your weird standards.

So let's look at rents at the only building you consider to be downtown Detroit, which is a luxury doorman building. They have one bedrooms available at just over $1,000 a month. The same one bedrooms would be $4,000 a month in desirable cities, meaning that Village Green's Detroit City Apartments are dirt-cheap, just like Lafayette Park. Includes 24/7 concierge and tons of amenities and public spaces.

http://www.villagegreen.com/detroit/...ty-apartments/.
No, we've been trying to tell you that Lafayette Park is a NEIGHBORHOOD OUTSIDE OF DOWNTOWN for the longest . Prices vary by neighborhood... I thought that was common knowledge. Being near downtown and in downtown are two different things. I know somebody that lives in Lyfayette Park... it's alot different than downtown. It's almost exclusively suburban style apartment complexes with downtown Detroit and riverfront amenities close by. It isn't some weird standard, it's the actual boundaries of downtown Detroit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downtown_Detroit
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Downtown Detroit is bordered by M-10 (Lodge Freeway) to the west, the Interstate 75 (I-75, Fisher Freeway) to the north, I-375 (Chrysler Freeway) to the east, and the Detroit River to the south.
And what do you mean there is only one apartment complex within the downtown Detroit freeway loop? ummm WHAT? even in your own link... Cadillac Square, Detroit Savings Bank, The Albert, The Lots and Merchants Row, Fyfe Building, Renaissance City Apartments, and The Kales Building and there's still more apartments than that downtown. In fact, you mentioned Detroit City Apartments which wasn't even in the link. Broderick Tower is another one that I know off but it's not in the link because there is nothing available right now. And they have one bedrooms for damn near $2,000. This isn't even counting the other apartments that I just googled like Fort Shelby (1 bed starting at $1,795 a month), David Whitney, Himelhoch, and The Ashley. Sound like alot more than 1 to me. And alot of these places don't even have anything available right this minute (which explains why many of them say "check availability" or doesn't even have them listed at all).

Only 2 buildings built in downtown Detroit over the last century... again... what are you talking about?
Greektown casino 2009, Renaissance Center buildings (completed at different times 1977-1981), One Detroit Center 1993, 150 W Jefferson 1989, One Woodard Ave 1963, Federal building, 1976, DTE headquarters 1971, ect, ect. All within 100 years and all within the downtown Detroit boundaries and I only listed a few.

And lastly. Who cares about how high rent is in cities that are 1,000 miles away? For the Detroit area (and Midwest in general) one bedroom apartments between $1,000- $2,000 a month is pretty high. The rent isn't going up for no reason, the demand is through the roof which is why the occupancy rate is almost at 100% and why they plan to have more and more apartments within the next few years. Thousands of downtown Detroit apartments are on the way
And you want to talk about rent in desirable cities? well let's have a look at some of the fastest growing cities in the nation (growing faster than NYC and Detroit): Downtown, Midtown, and Buckhead Atlanta, downtown Houston, and downtown Dallas all have rents around downtown Detroit's price range (1 bedroom for $1,000-$2,000). But again, nobody cares. We're talking about Detroit... not Manhattan (which has limited land anyway), not SF.
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Old 04-03-2016, 01:39 PM
 
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There may be a bright side to this as well. The areas around downtown might start to gentrify and improve if the people priced out of downtown would move there and those areas might become attractive for developers.
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Old 04-03-2016, 02:27 PM
 
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LOL, no. Lafayette Park is most definitely downtown Detroit.

Is that the newest excuse? Now that "Detroit has no apartments available" failed, "$700 is high rent" failed, "real estate ads are all lies" failed, now it's "Lafayette Park isn't downtown, it's more Roseville, I think".

So now your claim is that Lafayette Park "doesn't count" because you are only counting buildings within the freeway loop. That means there are only 2 buildings in downtown Detroit built since the 1920's. The only buildings built within the freeway loop over the past century are Detroit City Apartments (the old Trolley Plaza) and Millender Center (which is basically just corporate apartments for GM employees).

And since Millender Center doesn't really rent much to the public, because GM, we're talking ONE apartment building = downtown Detroit, according to your weird standards.

So let's look at rents at the only building you consider to be downtown Detroit, which is a luxury doorman building. They have one bedrooms available at just over $1,000 a month. The same one bedrooms would be $4,000 a month in desirable cities, meaning that Village Green's Detroit City Apartments are dirt-cheap, just like Lafayette Park. Includes 24/7 concierge and tons of amenities and public spaces.

Detroit City Apartments | Apartments for Rent in Detroit



Why is someone living in these beautiful nation of ours repeatedly posting untrue statements, and then arguing incessantly when they got caught in these mistruths? Just enjoy life and stop with the absurd posts.
I never claimed that there weren't cheap apartments in downtown, I was just explaining that Lafayette Park is not in downtown.

In fact, just recently in another thread on this forum, entitled "Moving to Detroit in July: looking for good neighborhood for young, single guy, I provided information on the Park Avenue House, an apartment building on the northern edge of downtown Detroit that has studio apartments available from $500 a month.

Also, the Leland Apartments/Hotel on Bagley offers rentals from $450/month. This building, however, is in need of major TLC.

So I am not speaking mistruths! I am just correcting you about City Place Apartments
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Old 04-03-2016, 07:55 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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There may be a bright side to this as well. The areas around downtown might start to gentrify and improve if the people priced out of downtown would move there and those areas might become attractive for developers.
In theory, but most people who can't afford downtown just go back out to the suburbs (or other stable neighborhoods in the city). The neighborhoods to the east and west of downtown are still pretty dilapidated and crime is still a big issue. That's not to say those areas won't ever see development, but in the current situation, it'll be a slow and long process that won't occur anywhere near as quickly as how it occurred downtown.
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Old 04-03-2016, 09:17 PM
 
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In theory, but most people who can't afford downtown just go back out to the suburbs (or other stable neighborhoods in the city). The neighborhoods to the east and west of downtown are still pretty dilapidated and crime is still a big issue. That's not to say those areas won't ever see development, but in the current situation, it'll be a slow and long process that won't occur anywhere near as quickly as how it occurred downtown.
I disagree. Neighborhoods like the Villages, Lafayette Park, the East Riverfront, the North End, the New Center, Milwaukee-Junction, Mexicantown, and Hamtramck are gentrifying as we speak, and are drawing and will continue to draw some of those people that are priced out of downtown. I am sure many will move to the suburbs, but most?
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Old 04-03-2016, 11:18 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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I disagree. Neighborhoods like the Villages, Lafayette Park, the East Riverfront, the North End, the New Center, Milwaukee-Junction, Mexicantown, and Hamtramck are gentrifying as we speak, and are drawing and will continue to draw some of those people that are priced out of downtown. I am sure many will move to the suburbs, but most?
I mean areas like Poletown (or the area that would be south of Poletown), Mcdougal-Hunt and Core City. These areas are still more or less holes in what would be pretty good locations close to downtown and Midtown.
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Old 04-04-2016, 09:37 AM
 
Location: Windsor Ontario/Colchester Ontario
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The riverfront area east of DT will be the next place to see growth and developement, as Orleans Landing currently under construction is proof of. Things will escalate once GM decides how to proceed with the land they want to develop that they own directly east of their world headquarters. The Riverwalk should attract a lot of developement along its eastern section in that area.
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Old 04-05-2016, 12:40 PM
 
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I mean areas like Poletown (or the area that would be south of Poletown), Mcdougal-Hunt and Core City. These areas are still more or less holes in what would be pretty good locations close to downtown and Midtown.
Oh yes, the Poletown/Chene-Ferry area that you reference is a disaster. A lot of urban prairie in that area. However, up until about 5 years or so ago, the commercial district at the intersection was pretty much intact, then somebody started burning all of the buildings down. The Chene-Ferry Open-Air Market Building is still there:






Core City is also an unattractive neighborhood.
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Old 05-06-2016, 08:01 PM
 
Location: Windsor Ontario/Colchester Ontario
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A pretty awesome article about Detroit finally being of the verge of a real renaissance by the NY Daily News.

http://m.nydailynews.com/life-style/...icle-1.2626718
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