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Old 05-19-2017, 02:17 AM
 
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Actually Detroit's current problem is they once did too much annexation. Population is too spread out. It i s impossible to concentrate services where the people are because they are scattered all over the place. Smaller geographic cities like Boston, Manhattan, Miami, or San Francisco do very well without annexation. In fact, I would much rather see Detroit become simlar to those cities than to Houston (which I find very lacking n any sort of history, spirit or soul, but obviously it has appeal to a large number of people who are not me and apparently have different prioities and preferences). Most sprawled out cities are like that. Bigger is not necessarily better. Look at Los Angeles. Geographically huge, very little to offer for its size (population).


Right now, to me Downtown and midtown Detrit are getting into the "just right" range: More places to visit that you can reasonably cover in a lifetime; amazing architecture and history; a nice eclectic mix of people; a spirited sense of community; amazing opportunities; improvement of some kind virtually every month; not crowded. If I were going to move into a City right now, anywhere in the USA, Detroit would be at or near the top of my list of choices.

It sill needs work. Infrastructure and schools are probably the top priority along with improvements to core neighborhoods.

It really needs to shed some of the outlying neighborhoods and concentrate the population if a way can be found to do that. The City lacks the resources to take care of such and expansive area.

I think I like Detroit so much in part for the same reason I like old houses. Every month or at least every year it gets better and better in leaps and bounds. If you were here last year, you can come again this year and visit/explore a whole new set of places or events that were not available last year. How many cities can say that?
The problem with Detroit is not that it annexed too much land; Atlanta and Philadelphia are about the same size as Detroit (130-140 square miles). The problem with Detroit is that the white population plummeted 94% from 1950 to 2000 (from over 1.5 million in 1950 to 100,000 in 2000).

By 2000, Sterling Heights, a suburb of 124,000 people, had more white folks than the city of Detroit, which had a population of 951,270 people at that time.

It would be interesting to determine, that in human history, has there ever been another ethnic group that voluntarily withdrew from a municipality to the extent that white folks withdrew from Detroit.
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Old 05-19-2017, 07:23 AM
 
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The problem with Detroit is not that it annexed too much land; Atlanta and Philadelphia are about the same size as Detroit (130-140 square miles). The problem with Detroit is that the white population plummeted 94% from 1950 to 2000 (from over 1.5 million in 1950 to 100,000 in 2000).

By 2000, Sterling Heights, a suburb of 124,000 people, had more white folks than the city of Detroit, which had a population of 951,270 people at that time.

It would be interesting to determine, that in human history, has there ever been another ethnic group that voluntarily withdrew from a municipality to the extent that white folks withdrew from Detroit.
There is not one single problem with Detroit. There are many.

The population exodus is one problem but why were the people leaving? In part because the City was inadequately providing services to the vast area it had to take care of. Why was that? In part because of corruption and graft. Also because of racism. Everyone wants to simplify things down to a single cause, there is not single cause, it is a bunch of causes that each resulted in the other causes becoming worse.

Too much area causes people to leave and people leaving make is more difficult to service such a large area, corruption and prejudice add to the problems, the decline of manufacturing adds in as well, but part of the reasons all the manufacturing left was becasue of the poor service, too many people leaving the city, rampant corruption and graft. . . It was not just a downturn in manufacturing, Manufacturing declined, but it did not stop. However the factories left the city and moved to suburbs. There are many other issues and causes (decline in schools, increased violence, riots, out of control police enforcement, social engineering by auto manufacturers,. . .. . ) and it creates a chicken and egg problem. It is not a case of one thing happened than then causes the others. Each thing happened concurrently and few the other problems and made them grow.
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Old 05-28-2017, 01:56 PM
 
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There is not one single problem with Detroit. There are many.

The population exodus is one problem but why were the people leaving? In part because the City was inadequately providing services to the vast area it had to take care of. Why was that? In part because of corruption and graft. Also because of racism. Everyone wants to simplify things down to a single cause, there is not single cause, it is a bunch of causes that each resulted in the other causes becoming worse.

Too much area causes people to leave and people leaving make is more difficult to service such a large area, corruption and prejudice add to the problems, the decline of manufacturing adds in as well, but part of the reasons all the manufacturing left was becasue of the poor service, too many people leaving the city, rampant corruption and graft. . . It was not just a downturn in manufacturing, Manufacturing declined, but it did not stop. However the factories left the city and moved to suburbs. There are many other issues and causes (decline in schools, increased violence, riots, out of control police enforcement, social engineering by auto manufacturers,. . .. . ) and it creates a chicken and egg problem. It is not a case of one thing happened than then causes the others. Each thing happened concurrently and few the other problems and made them grow.
COMMONLY ACCEPTED CAUSES OF DECLINE OF CITIES

Misguided Urban Renewal projects
1. destroyed the Black Bottom/Hastings Street and 2/3rds of Corktown, and misplaced thousands of residents
2. Public housing (The Projects) concentrated poverty and created crime-ridden environments

Federal Housing Administration policies
1. encouraged suburbanization - The FHA chiefly financed single-family home units in the SUBURBS; also FHA would not insure housing (1) in declining urban neighborhoods and (2) multifamily housing
2. encouraged segregation in new housing
A 'Forgotten History' Of How The U.S. Government Segregated America : NPR

Interstate/State Freeways
1. Destroyed some neighborhoods (Detroit’s first Chinatown) and cut in half others (Boston-Edison, Mexicantown, Eastern Market)
2. Made it convenient to live out in the ‘burbs and commute to the city for work, and eventually, to bypass the city although together by locating jobs in the ‘burbs near the freeways (see Troy, Southfield, Auburn Hills)

Decline of manufacturing
-In the 1950’s a lot of smaller car companies went out of business, including Packard and Studebaker – thus eliminating many jobs

Moving of manufacturing to suburbs
-By 1950, there were few large swaths of land to build large automobile manufacturing complexes, so they were built in the suburbs, thus reducing job opportunities for city residents

Decline of public school system
-Obvious cause of flight out of the city

Public School Bussing for Racial Desegregation
-Took students out of their neighborhood schools to other schools that were on the other side of town, which alienated and angered many white residents and caused them to leave

Significant rise in violent crime
-Very obvious cause of flight out of the city

Redlining
-Banks wouldn’t make home improvement/home equity loans to homeowners whose houses were located in the parts of the city that the banks RED-LINED on a map, leading to further blight in those neighborhoods

Blockbusting
-White realtors pounced on the notion that blacks were moving into the neighborhood and causing housing values to fall. They caused hysteria and instilled an urgency in white homeowners to sell their houses so that the value of the houses wouldn’t plummet further, and then the white realtors sold the houses to incoming black homeowners at inflated prices; this further destabilized neighborhoods

General Racism
-Some whites just did not want to live amongst black folks, so they left

Riots
-The 1967 riot accelerated white flight that HAD ALREADY BEEN OCCURRING FOR ABOUT 20 YEARS. IT IS A COMMON MISCONCEPTION THAT THE RIOTS CAUSED WHITE FLIGHT. NO, WHITE FLIGHT WAS IN FULL EFFECT BEFORE THE RIOTS. Anyway, many other cities in the U.S. had riots during the 1960’s.

City Income Tax and High Property Tax Rates
-Made living and working in the city financially less attractive

Corruption/Decline of City Services
-obvious cause of flight out of the city

A myriad of cities, from Philadelphia to St. Louis, experienced all of the above causes, yet none of them experienced a 94% decline in their white population in a 50-year span
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