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Old 10-14-2016, 10:32 AM
 
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Grosse Pointe is ranked number 8 in the state according to US News and World Report.

Grosse Pointe South High School in Grosse Pointe Farms, MI | US News Best High Schools
That particular report ranks Grosse Pointe South High School. Not the district.
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Old 10-17-2016, 10:54 AM
 
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Those reports are all over the place. All of them use at least some criteria that is pretty meaningless in how your child will do in life.

People know where the good schools are and what various schools offer for students. A year of bad test scores because there was a huge party the night before the tests, or a change in graduation rates because a group of five friends all decided to drop out and get GEDs, really does not mean a lot. There is a lot more to looking at schools than reading statistics. I eventually learned that after being fooled by the ratings/rankings for many years. Is a given district truly a good school for educating kids and preparing them for college (and for life)? or do they just teach to the tests?

It is actually a very difficult analysis to make, however the good news is most of our good schools in the metro area and plenty good enough. If a school has enough of a problem to make a difference, you know it without having to look at statistics.

However for some reason, people seem to think it is critically important that their elementary school kids attend school in a district where the high school happened to have the best SAT scores the prior year. There is a good psychology study in there to figure out why. It really has nothing at all to do with how well their kids will do in life.

Novi, Northville, Walled Lake, G.P. South, Plymouth Canton, Grosse Ile, West Bloomfield, Rochester, . . . . (etcetera - there are a ton of them). All the good schools are going to equally prepare their kids for college. The kids from those schools are going to do better than each other based on their work ethic (created at home) or possibly (but unlikely) innate intelligence, not based on whether they went to Novi or Northville high school and which school had a point or two higher average test scores in any particular year.

Yes students from some schools are better prepared for college than from other schools. That is meaningful if you are comparing say Taylor and Northville. But when comparing the good schools, they are all pretty much equal.

District rankings are even worse. If a district has three excellent schools and two terrible ones, what difference does it make if you are not in the terrible school location? Still the district will have a lower average ranking. Further, the district rankings often make no sense. Our local middle school sometimes gets low rankings. Yet, the same kids are graduating form the high school which is getting much better rankings? Why is that? these are the same kids. IF they were so inadequately educated in middle sh cool, what is happening in high school that suddenly changes things? Answer - nothing. The ranking'polling system is just messed up.

Really you need to start looking at issues for your particular kid(s). Do they do better in a big school atmosphere or small. Does the school have an exemplary band, football, gymnastics, equestrian, pentathlon, sailing, debate, rowing, basketball, hockey, drama or whatever program for what your child's interests are? Even that can be meaningless as we discovered. Our school had an amazing vocal music program. Ideal for our twins who were just starting high school and were unusually talented singers. However Dr. Parker was pushed to retire after one or two years and replaced with an inexperienced, incompetent and immature music teacher (who only lasted about two years). The music program went to s&*t before they graduated. So, perfect today, may not mean perfect by the time your kids are in or through high school.

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Old 10-17-2016, 11:01 AM
 
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Those reports are all over the place. All of them use at least some criteria that is pretty meaningless in how your child will do in life.

People know where the good schools are and what various schools offer for students. A year of bad test scores because there was a huge party the night before the tests, or a change in graduation rates because a group of five friends all decided to drop out and get GEDs, really does not mean a lot. There is a lot more to looking at schools than reading statistics. I eventually learned that after being fooled by the ratings/rankings for many years. Is a given district truly a good school for educating kids and preparing them for college (and for life)? or do they just teach to the tests?

It is actually a very difficult analysis to make, however the good news is most of our good schools in the metro area and plenty good enough. If a school has enough of a problem to make a difference, you know it without having to look at statistics.

However for some reason, people seem to think it is critically important that their elementary school kids attend school in a district where the high school happened to have the best SAT scores the prior year. There is a good psychology study in there to figure out why. It really has nothing at all to do with how well their kids will do in life.

Novi, Northville, Walled Lake, G.P. South, Plymouth Canton, Grosse Ile, West Bloomfield, Rochester. . . . All the good schools are going to equally prepare their kids for college. The kids from those schools are going to do better than each other based on their work ethic (created at home) or possibly (but unlikely) innate intelligence, not based on whether they went to Novi or Northville high school and which school had a point or two higher average test scores in any particular year.

Yes students from some schools are better prepared for college than from other schools. That is meaningful if you are comparing say Taylor and Northville. But when comparing the good schools, they are all pretty much equal.

Really you need to start looking at issues for your particular kid(s). Do they do better in a big school atmosphere or small. Does the school have an exemplary band, football, gymnastics, equestrian, pentathlon, sailing, debate, rowing, basketball, hockey, drama or whatever program for what your child's interests are? Even that can be meaningless as we discovered. Our school had an amazing vocal music program. Ideal for our twins who were just starting high school and were unusually talented singers. However Dr. Parker was pushed to retire after one or two years and replaced with an inexperienced, incompetent and immature music teacher (who only lasted about two years). The music program went to s&*t before they graduated. So, perfect today, may not mean perfect by the time your kids are in or through high school.
I'm not arguing for or against the relevance of rankings. I'm refuting the claim that Grosse Pointe schools are top 10 in the state. There is no ranking that quantifies the district as such.
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Old 10-19-2016, 04:49 PM
 
Location: Grosse Ile Michigan
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I'm not arguing for or against the relevance of rankings. I'm refuting the claim that Grosse Pointe schools are top 10 in the state. There is no ranking that quantifies the district as such.
What I am saying it that does not matter. Grosse point (South) is an excellent high school. Are they 11th? so what.

Also lumping GP North and GP South together gives you a distorted view. GP South is a "better" school. Whether that is because the teaching is better or the students get better support at home does not matter much if parents want their kids to go to a competitive school. However rankings aside, GP South is good enough. It is highly competitive, prepares graduates more than adequately for college. Its top students will compare favorably with top students form anywhere. It makes no difference where last years average SAT scores landed the district as a whole on some list. top 10, top 20, top 25, makes not difference, and the list will be different next year. They are all good schools.
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