Wayne State - Terrible School (Detroit, Dearborn: appointed, credit, law school)

[e130478]

I decided to start a master's program here this Fall. What a terrible decision. Everything from the administration to the faculty is substandard. The contrast between my undergraduate school and Wayne State is night and day. Professors don't show up to class with any type of game plan, and often are late by ten to fifteen minutes. Administration can't even speak proper english. What a ghetto school. Do not waste your time here.

[Geo-Aggie]

Isn't that... a pretty typical difference between undergraduate and graduate school?

Undergrad is being taught to adult, and we're going to hold your hand through the process.
Grad is you're an adult, now do some research and here are some mentors for your guidance.

That's the pretty typical experience and expectations I believe most students have going into grad school; sorry if yours was different. Would you like a Spanish translation? My apologies if my use of English was inappropriate or too ghetto for you. Diversity sucks sometimes, but hey, grad school will certainly give you some much needed exposure to it. Also, English is the proper name of a language. You should capitalize it if you're going to whine about people not speaking it to your standards.

[MaryleeII]

Originally Posted by Geo-Aggie

Isn't that... a pretty typical difference between undergraduate and graduate school?

Undergrad is being taught to adult, and we're going to hold your hand through the process.
Grad is you're an adult, now do some research and here are some mentors for your guidance.

That's the pretty typical experience and expectations I believe most students have going into grad school; sorry if yours was different. Would you like a Spanish translation? My apologies if my use of English was inappropriate or too ghetto for you. Diversity sucks sometimes, but hey, grad school will certainly give you some much needed exposure to it. Also, English is the proper name of a language. You should capitalize it if you're going to whine about people not speaking it to your standards.

Wayne


Wayne has undergrad as well as graduate programs. The OP isn't talking about how deficient Wayne's graduate programs are, he's talking about how deficient the school is overall. He just happens to be experiencing it at the graduate level.

[keraT]

The university rule is, if a professor did not show up with in 15 min of schedule time then the class is considered cancel. During my years in wsu, I remember only one day a proff showed up late. Never experienced it. However I did see plenty of science and math professors that did not speak English properly

[craig11152]

Originally Posted by e130478

I decided to start a master's program here this Fall. What a terrible decision. Everything from the administration to the faculty is substandard. The contrast between my undergraduate school and Wayne State is night and day. Professors don't show up to class with any type of game plan, and often are late by ten to fifteen minutes. Administration can't even speak proper english. What a ghetto school. Do not waste your time here.

That's Sam Bernstein's law school alma mater...hope you don't make him mad, that could get costly.
Its Dan Gilbert's law school alma mater too....he owns Detroit and the Cleveland Cav's.

[brodie734]

Wayne State is actually in a bit of a financial crisis and has resorted to radically altering their graduation requirements to no longer include math or English at the undergraduate level. It is a shame, because it does have some strong graduate programs in social work and medicine, but the op's assessment matches up to a lot of other things I have heard. Oakland University, UM Dearborn and even Eastern Michigan would probably all be better bets at this point.

[Indentured Servant]

Originally Posted by e130478

I decided to start a master's program here this Fall. What a terrible decision. Everything from the administration to the faculty is substandard. The contrast between my undergraduate school and Wayne State is night and day. Professors don't show up to class with any type of game plan, and often are late by ten to fifteen minutes. Administration can't even speak proper english. What a ghetto school. Do not waste your time here.

Hey....I am a graduate of WSU! Enough said . Anyway, I noticed that you did not list where you had your utopian undergrad experience ( I normally would have ended that sentence with the preposition "at" as everyone knows that is proper ghetto vernacular)... I am always rendered a bit incredulous when someone makes a juxtaposition without presenting both sides. I think that its natural to present both sides of the juxtaposition.....unless one is being disingenuous. For example. "Wayne State sucks when compared to my experience at MIT". I mean, you likely are not going to get much challenge from that. Hence, when one fails to name both sides, its a flag to me that the person is trying to hide something and/or is not really being truthful. Maybe you seek anonymity and some people might figure out who you are if you mention the obscure school where you did your undergraduate degree. On the other hand, it sounds to me that possibly you could have a problem with WSU being "too BLACK"....and "too black" in the minds of many equals incompetence and corruption.....ie....ghetto. I mean....looked what happened to Detroit.....it's proof right

[Geo-Aggie]

Originally Posted by MaryleeII

Wayne


Wayne has undergrad as well as graduate programs. The OP isn't talking about how deficient Wayne's graduate programs are, he's talking about how deficient the school is overall. He just happens to be experiencing it at the graduate level.

I got that. I was replying to state that OP's issues likely stem from how undergrads and grads are treated differently at just about any school. Grad research is much more self-driven, which is a big part of the experience. Attending classes with a fixed, defined lesson plan and extra study sessions should be largely replaced by direct one on one interaction with professors about your research.

Having expectations that grad school would be super-senior years of undergrad (as it sounds OP had), becoming subsequently disappointed by their expectations not being met, and then attributing all this to Wayne State being a "crappy school" (..because someone has an accent? OP has apparently never taken a 200+ level math class.. ) is not the attitude of any successful graduate candidate I've ever met. I could be wrong, but OP certainly didn't provide any details that suggest otherwise.

And don't think this is being posted from the perspective of some grumpy curmudgeon who hates students. I'm an obnoxiously self-absorbed, $6-latte-drinking Millennial too. I simply understand that grad school is not undergrad. Now excuse me while I go play video games on my iPhone.

[Coldjensens]

The problems described here seem to be typical of most schools. Disorganized, professors and others who cannot be understood, professors and others not showing up. Some schools are well organized in one way and poorly organized in another.

The thing with professors who cannot communicate in English makes no sense to me. Who cares if they wrote a book or fill a hole in the diversity plan if they cannot communicate? Their entire purpose in being there is to communicate information.

Further, the more highly regarded a professor is, the more he or she seems to think it is unimportant they show up to class. Usually the ordinary profs are the better ones IME.

I am not sure WSU is any different in that regard than any other school.

[Arthur Digby Sellers]

Originally Posted by Coldjensens

The problems described here seem to be typical of most schools. Disorganized, professors and others who cannot be understood, professors and others not showing up. Some schools are well organized in one way and poorly organized in another.

The thing with professors who cannot communicate in English makes no sense to me. Who cares if they wrote a book or fill a hole in the diversity plan if they cannot communicate? Their entire purpose in being there is to communicate information.

Further, the more highly regarded a professor is, the more he or she seems to think it is unimportant they show up to class. Usually the ordinary profs are the better ones IME.

I am not sure WSU is any different in that regard than any other school.

I attended grad and undergrad at WSU, and a grad program at another local program. So I have a basis for comparison.

The administration at WSU is a dumpster fire compared to the other program I attended. It's the ninth ring of bureaucratic hell and I'm amazed it's taken this long for them to have enrollment and financial problems.

The resource allocation at WSU is the definition of insanity. When I was there for undergrad they spent a boatload of money on a rec center (which was aggravatingly a line item on everyone's tuition bill), but let the graduate library - where most students went to conduct research - rot and become seriously run down.

It's a shame too considering the progress they had made since having accreditation problems in the 80s as well as the general progress the surrounding area has made.