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Old 12-01-2016, 10:49 PM
 
Location: Detroit
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I was going to ask, I know Kalamazoo has been doing this - have kids returned to Kalamazoo Public Schools? I too agree that the incentive for good parents to send their kids to DPS will significantly help DPS which currently seems to suffer from a situation where most of the good parents in Detroit send their kids to private schools or schools in Southfield/Ferndale/Redford/etc.

If we started seeing an influx of the good students in Detroit (of which there certainly are) actually attending DPS it would make a whole world of difference to the schools within just a couple years. Solid move by both the city and state
I graduated from KPS... I would say it was the only thing that kept more students from leaving.

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Unfortunately, it may benefit Chicago, New York and LA more than Detroit. However as Detroit becomes more and more alive, it will have a better chance of keeping kids here after college.
It will benefit those cities as well (throw Atlanta and Texas in there as well) but it will not benefit those cities more than it will Detroit. There are more people from Detroit with a college degree that live in Michigan than there are people from Detroit with a degree that live in Chi, NYC, LA, ATL, Texas, ect. People are always going to move after college just like alot of people move out of Chicago, Atlanta, ect after college. The game changer however is luring out of state residents here, especially college grads. And of course if MI keeps it's economy on the right track less people will fill the need to move.
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Old 12-02-2016, 06:17 AM
 
Location: Metro Detroit
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I've shared this study a few times, but it can't seem to dispel the myth that the 2000-2010 "brain drain" is still at thing. The reality is that it isn't. It was. It absolutely was, but it is now a thing of the past.

This study shows that currently (well, in 2015...) Detroit/Warren/Livonia has the #1 best retention rate of local college grads of 2 and 4 year programs, of anywhere in the nation. When you look at only 4 year graduates, Metro Detroit lands in the #3 spot.

Which U.S. Metros Are Best at Keeping Their College Grads? - CityLab

Michigan Radio had some discussion on this and stated that when you expand this to include Ann Arbor and Lansing the numbers do fall off some and the whole region (Detroit/Ann Arbor/Lansing) ends up being about average for the nation, but this makes sense as you've got the expect that a significant percentage of the student population at UM and MSU are from out of state, and less likely to stick around - also, I'm not sure if they corrected for the fact that most Ann Arbor/Lansing grads who stick around Michigan will head for Detroit. It doesn't appear that they did?

Is "brain drain" a myth? Study suggests Metro Detroit leads nation in college grad retention | Michigan Radio

Additionally a study showing the population increase among millennials from 2010-2013 by metro area showed Metro Detroit in an enviable place, landing at #5 out of the 52 metros considered, growing its young adult population from 506,000 to 541,000. Obviously a big factor in this is how many young adults left during the prior 10 years, but people need to recognize 2016 is not 2006.

Millennial Boomtowns: Where The Generation Is Clustering (It's Not Downtown) | Newgeography.com
As a fun aside, my former metro (SLC) landed at #52 of 52, being 1 of 3 metros (along with Birmingham, AL and Milwaukee) to actually lose young adult population, but my theory is SLC lost population due to a religious policy change causing so many more young adults to attend two year religious sales trips during that period - Can I tell you just how much I don't miss SLC? - Also of note this number is increasing nationally in most cities because 1990-1993 were the highest birthrate years since 1971 and this was the range aging into the 20-29 bracket during the years considered.

So no, this does not benefit only Chicago, LA, NYC, Atlanta, etc. The biggest winner is Detroit.

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Old 12-02-2016, 10:44 AM
 
Location: Detroit
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I've shared this study a few times, but it can't seem to dispel the myth that the 2000-2010 "brain drain" is still at thing. The reality is that it isn't. It was. It absolutely was, but it is now a thing of the past.

This study shows that currently (well, in 2015...) Detroit/Warren/Livonia has the #1 best retention rate of local college grads of 2 and 4 year programs, of anywhere in the nation. When you look at only 4 year graduates, Metro Detroit lands in the #3 spot.

Which U.S. Metros Are Best at Keeping Their College Grads? - CityLab

Michigan Radio had some discussion on this and stated that when you expand this to include Ann Arbor and Lansing the numbers do fall off some and the whole region (Detroit/Ann Arbor/Lansing) ends up being about average for the nation, but this makes sense as you've got the expect that a significant percentage of the student population at UM and MSU are from out of state, and less likely to stick around - also, I'm not sure if they corrected for the fact that most Ann Arbor/Lansing grads who stick around Michigan will head for Detroit. It doesn't appear that they did?

Is "brain drain" a myth? Study suggests Metro Detroit leads nation in college grad retention | Michigan Radio

Additionally a study showing the population increase among millennials from 2010-2013 by metro area showed Metro Detroit in an enviable place, landing at #5 out of the 52 metros considered, growing its young adult population from 506,000 to 541,000. Obviously a big factor in this is how many young adults left during the prior 10 years, but people need to recognize 2016 is not 2006.

Millennial Boomtowns: Where The Generation Is Clustering (It's Not Downtown) | Newgeography.com
As a fun aside, my former metro (SLC) landed at #52 of 52, being 1 of 3 metros (along with Birmingham, AL and Milwaukee) to actually lose young adult population, but my theory is SLC lost population due to a religious policy change causing so many more young adults to attend two year religious sales trips during that period - Can I tell you just how much I don't miss SLC? - Also of note this number is increasing nationally in most cities because 1990-1993 were the highest birthrate years since 1971 and this was the range aging into the 20-29 bracket during the years considered.

So no, this does not benefit only Chicago, LA, NYC, Atlanta, etc. The biggest winner is Detroit.
Wow, great find. I would rep you if I could. I'm probably going to have to steal this one day lol. Idk if I have ever seen this before but it shocked me more than it should. The amount of people from UofM, EMU, MSU, CMU, WMU, GVSU, and SVSU that live in Metro Detroit is pretty large. Michigan state probably being the largest with UofM at a close second.

But this goes back to what I said in my last post, "The game changer however is luring out of state residents to MI". And surprisingly, Detroit comes at #5. But when you consider how big Detroit is and what it offers for a low COL with a relatively high income and a pretty good work/life balance alot of people realize Detroit/ Michigan is a steal. And that's one of the things Detroit needs to sell itself on, especially investors and entrepreneurs.
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Old 12-02-2016, 01:31 PM
 
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A few of my high school friends made a point of moving into the city of Kalamazoo because of the Kalamazoo Promise.

However, it's like all things in life - things that are important to some people just aren't important to other people.
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Old 12-02-2016, 02:12 PM
 
Location: Grosse Ile Michigan
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Wow, great find. I would rep you if I could. I'm probably going to have to steal this one day lol. Idk if I have ever seen this before but it shocked me more than it should. The amount of people from UofM, EMU, MSU, CMU, WMU, GVSU, and SVSU that live in Metro Detroit is pretty large. Michigan state probably being the largest with UofM at a close second.

But this goes back to what I said in my last post, "The game changer however is luring out of state residents to MI". And surprisingly, Detroit comes at #5. But when you consider how big Detroit is and what it offers for a low COL with a relatively high income and a pretty good work/life balance alot of people realize Detroit/ Michigan is a steal. And that's one of the things Detroit needs to sell itself on, especially investors and entrepreneurs.
Detroit offers opportunity. A chance to start with nothing and make something. The real possibility of making a difference and/or being noticed. More so than any other US city I can think of.
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Old 12-02-2016, 10:32 PM
 
Location: Detroit
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Detroit offers opportunity. A chance to start with nothing and make something. The real possibility of making a difference and/or being noticed. More so than any other US city I can think of.
Exactly what I was thinking.
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Old 12-06-2016, 12:59 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit
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I think I may use this thread as my temporary go-to stash for Pro-Detroit news, but .. coming Zagat published their 26 hottest food cities of 2016, and while it includes cities trendy like New York, Chicago, and Austin - they're all further down the list than Detroit:

https://www.zagat.com/b/the-26-hotte...ies-of-2016#14
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Old 12-06-2016, 10:37 PM
 
Location: Detroit
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I think I may use this thread as my temporary go-to stash for Pro-Detroit news, but .. coming Zagat published their 26 hottest food cities of 2016, and while it includes cities trendy like New York, Chicago, and Austin - they're all further down the list than Detroit:

https://www.zagat.com/b/the-26-hotte...ies-of-2016#14
We have something similar (at least for the downtown area) on this thread //www.city-data.com/forum/detro...pments-84.html which is turning 6 years old on the 15th lol.

And yea I seen that list on city vs city I think... that really pissed some people off on that thread .
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Old 12-07-2016, 11:09 AM
 
Location: Metro Detroit
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We have something similar (at least for the downtown area) on this thread //www.city-data.com/forum/detro...pments-84.html which is turning 6 years old on the 15th lol.

And yea I seen that list on city vs city I think... that really pissed some people off on that thread .
City vs. City you say?

STOP INSULTING CLEVELAND ITS THE BEST CLEVELAND ROCKS DREW CAREY GO CAVS LEBRON CLEVELAND CLEVELAND CLEVELAND!

Sorry, had to get that out of my system... but yeah... there's been some fun little "lists" these bloggers have been putting out that have been high on praise for places like Detroit, Indy, Pittsburgh (...and Cleveland) the past few years. It makes sense though, these things are cyclical. Sunbelt cities weren't always good places to be, and Rustbelt cities weren't always run down, but like their Eastern counterparts the Rustbelt cities are following in the footsteps of places like Boston, DC, and Philly.
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Old 12-07-2016, 11:49 PM
 
Location: Detroit
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City vs. City you say?

STOP INSULTING CLEVELAND ITS THE BEST CLEVELAND ROCKS DREW CAREY GO CAVS LEBRON CLEVELAND CLEVELAND CLEVELAND!

Sorry, had to get that out of my system... but yeah... there's been some fun little "lists" these bloggers have been putting out that have been high on praise for places like Detroit, Indy, Pittsburgh (...and Cleveland) the past few years. It makes sense though, these things are cyclical. Sunbelt cities weren't always good places to be, and Rustbelt cities weren't always run down, but like their Eastern counterparts the Rustbelt cities are following in the footsteps of places like Boston, DC, and Philly.
Lmao and don't forget about the Cleveland Clinic, Playhouse Square, and the Republic National Convention.
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