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Old 03-04-2017, 10:57 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit
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Interesting. I, on the other hand, oppose taxpayer funding of private and religious schools--of whatever kind. They're part of the dumbing down of America. There are simply too many "alternative facts" being presented as gospel (literally).
What? No. See the local parks are fine for some, but they're not for my kids and I. I prefer the private country club, but I don't really want to pay for the membership - I'd rather have my membership subsidized by the community's tax dollars so I can take my family to the privately owned country club rather than the neighborhood park and as my part of the bargain I won't step foot in any public spaces, and this makes sense because school of choice, sorry, I mean recreation of choice is a thing.

That was sarcasm.. , but on a more serious note - yes. Religious schools of any kind replacing public schools is unacceptable as it creates a world where dogma becomes an acceptable substitute for observation. I understand this is not something new, but it does seem to be more prevalent today than when I was in school. I too have a major problem with anyone's orders to kill, mistreat, or ostracize Atheists, gays, women, etc - regardless of what flavor of dogma is teaching this, especially when public tax dollars are used to subsidize this kind of direction while traditional schools, based on things which can actually be observed, become out-dated and under-funded.
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Old 03-05-2017, 02:42 AM
 
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What? No. See the local parks are fine for some, but they're not for my kids and I. I prefer the private country club, but I don't really want to pay for the membership - I'd rather have my membership subsidized by the community's tax dollars so I can take my family to the privately owned country club rather than the neighborhood park and as my part of the bargain I won't step foot in any public spaces, and this makes sense because school of choice, sorry, I mean recreation of choice is a thing.
That's a good analogy.
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Old 03-05-2017, 01:07 PM
 
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Every child would receive the same amount. It's not like you would get $10,000 to send your child to a public school and $20,000 to send your child to a private school.

And public schools are capable of teaching alternate facts and are more responsible for the dumbing down of America than private schools.
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Old 03-06-2017, 03:35 AM
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As the thread continues, remember this is not the politics forum. We all have opinions on various topics, like for example Muslim extremists, but there's a time and place for everything and the way c-d works, the politics forum is the place for discussions like this.
Don't say you weren't warned if you continue
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Old 03-14-2017, 01:23 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit
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It appears that a few residents of Sterling Heights are now suing the city for ignoring the objections of the residents with the claim that the worship site still doesn't meet city planning requirements

Sterling Heights sued over mosque case settlement

Personally I have no problem with this. If city residents want to be actively engaged in the community, that's great, and as I've said before I treat all religious institutions with equal distrust. I only hope the community would act the same way were this a large Christian church going in its place.
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Old 03-14-2017, 02:48 PM
 
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Hopefully Barbara McQuade's forced resignation will put an end to the federal government's interference in local democracy.
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Old 03-15-2017, 08:02 AM
 
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I only hope the community would act the same way were this a large Christian church going in its place.

Since this country was founded on Christian principles, I would hope not.
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Old 03-15-2017, 09:45 AM
 
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Since this country was founded on Christian principles, I would hope not.
Nancy, please.

The prevalence of "alternative facts" does not bode well for our future.
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Old 03-15-2017, 10:31 AM
 
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Nancy, please.

The prevalence of "alternative facts" does not bode well for our future.


Hi-jack ,


I feel the trend is being reversed.
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Old 03-15-2017, 12:12 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit
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Technically the only two mentions of religion in the constitution are:

"...no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."
and
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;..."

which do kind of go against what I'm saying, as I would be happy to see laws against the further establishment of religion, but they most certainly refute the statement of our nation being founded on Christian principles. Plus then you get into the whole no-true-scotsman thing of "What's a Christian principle?" - and this isn't the topic for that discussion, so instead I'd like to ask what your thoughts are on a mosque in Sterling Heights. Does it go against municipal code as the people taking the city to court suggest, or does it fall under the protections of the constitution for freedom of religion?

Whether or not I agree with it, and for the record I do strongly disagree with Islam, I still believe from a legal standpoint it falls under freedom of religion. Maybe the constitution is less applicable in 2017 than it was in 1787 and parts of it could be revisited, rewritten, or abandoned altogether, but as it stands now they should be permitted their mosque, by law, assuming they comply with municipal building codes.
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