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Old 06-23-2017, 10:45 AM
 
Location: Windsor Ontario/Colchester Ontario
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Not the point. I was merely refuting the notion that Ann Arbor people never leave the city for entertainment purposes.
Oh, ok, sorry, I misinterpreted that.
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Old 06-23-2017, 10:45 AM
 
Location: Detroit
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I would honestly like to know the most recent time you decided to drive for 2 hours just to shop?
lol you obviously never lived in west MI, especially around Kzoo, Battle Creek, Benton Harbor, ect where most people religiously go to Detroit and Chicago to shop. And that's 2 hours ONE WAY.
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Old 06-23-2017, 12:49 PM
 
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lol you obviously never lived in west MI, especially around Kzoo, Battle Creek, Benton Harbor, ect where most people religiously go to Detroit and Chicago to shop. And that's 2 hours ONE WAY.
this is called shifting the goalposts. Driving from Benton Harbor, population 10,000, to a nearby major city to shop is quite different than driving from Ann Arbor, population 110,000 with two malls and numerous local luxury shops, to Troy for a more direct connection to Louis Vuitton.
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Old 06-23-2017, 01:52 PM
 
Location: Detroit
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this is called shifting the goalposts. Driving from Benton Harbor, population 10,000, to a nearby major city to shop is quite different than driving from Ann Arbor, population 110,000 with two malls and numerous local luxury shops, to Troy for a more direct connection to Louis Vuitton.
I wasn't comparing them to Ann Arbor at all. I was just replying to your question when you asked how often do people drive 2 hours just to shop. I thought u meant in general not just SE MI, that's my mistake.
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Old 06-23-2017, 10:57 PM
 
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Oh, ok, sorry, I misinterpreted that.
You could also probably thank the number of people here, both student and otherwise, from far off places for that. Chicago is simply a bigger hub than Metro Detroit and train fares are cheaper than making the connection sometimes.

Plus, honestly, a weekend getaway to Chicago offers far more an excursion into Metro Detroit ever will. I would hope we can all acknowledge that uncontroversially... cursory Google and Yelp searches continually show me that Chicago has roughly 5-10 times as many of any single thing as Metro Detroit does, which should come as no shock. Being on the edge of the metro, disproportionately wealthy and more likely to be from some bigger city out East or West, it doesn't really shock me to think that Ann Arborites opt to head to Chitown more frequently than our neighbors in the tri-county area do.
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Old 06-23-2017, 11:10 PM
 
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The truth is that most people aren't taking advantage of all of the amazing things to do in Metro Detroit, even when they live far closer to those amenities than people in Ann Arbor. Instead people are using trying to fit a prefabricated narrative in which Ann Arbor is a snooty place for snooty people who clam up at the very idea of being lumped in with pedestrian normies in the suburbs by bludgeoning them for not traveling 90 miles round trip routinely to hang out in Ferndale at bars that are really no more interesting than the ones in downtown Ann Arbor in the first place. Frankly, I have friends in Brooklyn who have lived there for three years now and they don't go to Manhattan, they don't go to places that aren't within walking distance of their apartment after they get home from work. C'est la vie.

As to your latter points about the DIA and Eastern Market, of course people from Ann Arbor go to those places but those are one day events that you only really need to go to once or twice a year. Trust me, the DIA wishes that 4.3 million people were going there more frequently than that... they only get around 600,000 visitors a year. Somerset, back in the day when anybody actually cared about or needed malls in order to be able to shop, might have similarly been a once or twice a year trip for somebody in Ann Arbor who would have to drive nearly 100 miles there and back. I would honestly like to know the most recent time you decided to drive for 2 hours just to shop?

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Do you have some statistical evidence that people in Ann Arbor travel outside the immediate area considerably less than other suburbs? How far do people along the 696 corridor travel for entertainment? How many of them get in their cars and drive 30-40 miles for entertainment? The thing is if you live along the 696 corridor your drive in to downtown Detroit is half or even a third or quarter the distance that it is from Ann Arbor. If your round trip to a casino is 20 miles thats a bit easier than if its 70 plus miles.

Look at the Amtrak station activity in SE Michigan and you will see Ann Arbor almost doubles Dearborn (2nd busiest) in activity. If you total all the Amtrak stations east of Ann Arbor...Dearborn, Detroit, Royal Oak, Troy and Pontiac covering a fair chunk of the Metro area the Ann Arbor traffic on Amtrak far outweighs our statistical share. And we also get on Megabuses regularly. Those numbers I can't find.

maybe the answer to your question "Don't you get tired going to the same things in the same county over and over again?" is "ya and when we do we hop a train bus or car to Chicago."
I am sorry I did not make my point clear. I am not expecting Ann Arborites, or even other Metro Detroiters, to regularly travel to far flung places in the Detroit area on a daily, weekly, bi-weekly, or even monthly basis.

I was responding to Brodie734’s assertion that there are folks in Ann Arbor who have NEVER been to Ferndale (not that Ferndale is all-of-that). I would not expect a middle-aged Ann Arbor family man to have been to Ferndale. But for a young professional Ann Arborite who enjoys hip, vibrant, walkable places, with interesting cuisine or quirky shops or vibrant nightlife - I would find it hard to believe that such a person wouldn’t find him/herself out in the Ferndale-Royal Oak area maybe 6-8 times a year, for instance to go see a band they like at the Magic Stick or to check out a new brewery they’ve heard good things about. Again, Ann Arbor is only so big.

I also would expect that even an Ann Arbor area family would find themselves in the Detroit area, 6-8 times a year, maybe taking their children to the conservatory/botanical gardens/aquarium at Belle Isle, or to the Science Institute at Cranbrook or to Eastern Market.

The Detroit area is no Chicago, but it has some great stuff that is next door. Ignoring what next door offers, and never going there, seems close-minded, limiting, and depriving yourself of cool, fun experiences. It’s a free country, so do as you please.

P.S. While DIA is a 1-2 times per year trip, Eastern Market is an every weekend thing to a lot of suburban Detroiters. And concerning Somerset and brick-and-mortar retail - there is still demand for brick-and-mortar high end shopping and thrift shopping. This is why a TJ Maxx recently opened in Canton. In the past year, Somerset added 3 high-end retailers. So a person driving from Downriver to Somerset (which is about as long a trip from A2 to Troy) for a once every 3-month shopping excursion is not some foreign concept.

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Not the point. I was merely refuting the notion that Ann Arbor people never leave the city for entertainment purposes.
No, Mrs. North 42, you understand what he was getting at. He was inferring Ann Arbor folks don't go to the Detroit area for a change of pace or something different, they take that 5-hour train ride to Chicago via Amtrak train.

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Old 06-24-2017, 04:40 AM
 
Location: Windsor Ontario/Colchester Ontario
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I am sorry I did not make my point clear. I am not expecting Ann Arborites, or even other Metro Detroiters, to regularly travel to far flung places in the Detroit area on a daily, weekly, bi-weekly, or even monthly basis.

I was responding to Brodie734’s assertion that there are folks in Ann Arbor who have NEVER been to Ferndale (not that Ferndale is all-of-that). I would not expect a middle-aged Ann Arbor family man to have been to Ferndale. But for a young professional Ann Arborite who enjoys hip, vibrant, walkable places, with interesting cuisine or quirky shops or vibrant nightlife - I would find it hard to believe that such a person wouldn’t find him/herself out in the Ferndale-Royal Oak area maybe 6-8 times a year, for instance to go see a band they like at the Magic Stick or to check out a new brewery they’ve heard good things about. Again, Ann Arbor is only so big.

I also would expect that even an Ann Arbor area family would find themselves in the Detroit area, 6-8 times a year, maybe taking their children to the conservatory/botanical gardens/aquarium at Belle Isle, or to the Science Institute at Cranbrook or to Eastern Market.

The Detroit area is no Chicago, but it has some great stuff that is next door. Ignoring what next door offers, and never going there, seems close-minded, limiting, and depriving yourself of cool, fun experiences. It’s a free country, so do as you please.

P.S. While DIA is a 1-2 times per year trip, Eastern Market is an every weekend thing to a lot of suburban Detroiters. And concerning Somerset and brick-and-mortar retail - there is still demand for brick-and-mortar high end shopping and thrift shopping. This is why a TJ Maxx recently opened in Canton. In the past year, Somerset added 3 high-end retailers. So a person driving from Downriver to Somerset (which is about as long a trip from A2 to Troy) for a once every 3-month shopping excursion is not some foreign concept.



No, Mrs. North 42, you understand what he was getting at. He was inferring Ann Arbor folks don't go to the Detroit area for a change of pace or something different, they take that 5-hour train ride to Chicago via Amtrak train.
Lol, I'm a dude
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Old 06-24-2017, 10:12 AM
 
Location: Detroit
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You could also probably thank the number of people here, both student and otherwise, from far off places for that. Chicago is simply a bigger hub than Metro Detroit and train fares are cheaper than making the connection sometimes.

Plus, honestly, a weekend getaway to Chicago offers far more an excursion into Metro Detroit ever will. I would hope we can all acknowledge that uncontroversially... cursory Google and Yelp searches continually show me that Chicago has roughly 5-10 times as many of any single thing as Metro Detroit does, which should come as no shock. Being on the edge of the metro, disproportionately wealthy and more likely to be from some bigger city out East or West, it doesn't really shock me to think that Ann Arborites opt to head to Chitown more frequently than our neighbors in the tri-county area do.
I have a ton of family in Chicago... been all around and I love the place. I've been all around the city and metro. But no, Chicago does not offer 5-10 times as many things as Detroit does, that is bs. Chicagoland is almost twice the size of metro Detroit so naturally it has about twice as much of most things. But what can you do in Chicago for fun that you can't do in Detroit? (minis public transportation because that's a obvious one). There's already more bars, clubs, restaurants, events, concerts, shopping, ect then you will ever have a chance to go to in Detroit which is alot closer. And like I said I know alot of people in Chicago, and they do the same things people in Detroit do for fun.

Why don't you go to New York over Chicago then? NYC has roughly "5-10 times as many of any single thing Chicago has", and it's only a few more hours difference by car. I know why I don't, it's because Chicago has most of the things New York has, just on a smaller scale. Same situation with Chicago and Detroit. I'll even say a city as small as Indianapolis or STL, it will still take you a while to do everything there is to do in those cities.

Furthermore, were not comparing what city is better for a weekend getaway. Detroit isn't even a hour away, why would you spend a weekend in a place that is less than a hour away from your house? I too think Chicago is better for a weekend getaway, especially because of downtown Chicago. But I'm not about to spend alot of money and time to drive 4 hours on the regular basis for it when I can be back in my own bed in less than a hour. But to each his own I guess.
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Old 06-25-2017, 05:54 AM
 
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I have a ton of family in Chicago... been all around and I love the place. I've been all around the city and metro. But no, Chicago does not offer 5-10 times as many things as Detroit does, that is bs. Chicagoland is almost twice the size of metro Detroit so naturally it has about twice as much of most things. But what can you do in Chicago for fun that you can't do in Detroit? (minis public transportation because that's a obvious one). There's already more bars, clubs, restaurants, events, concerts, shopping, ect then you will ever have a chance to go to in Detroit which is alot closer. And like I said I know alot of people in Chicago, and they do the same things people in Detroit do for fun.

Why don't you go to New York over Chicago then? NYC has roughly "5-10 times as many of any single thing Chicago has", and it's only a few more hours difference by car. I know why I don't, it's because Chicago has most of the things New York has, just on a smaller scale. Same situation with Chicago and Detroit. I'll even say a city as small as Indianapolis or STL, it will still take you a while to do everything there is to do in those cities.

Furthermore, were not comparing what city is better for a weekend getaway. Detroit isn't even a hour away, why would you spend a weekend in a place that is less than a hour away from your house? I too think Chicago is better for a weekend getaway, especially because of downtown Chicago. But I'm not about to spend alot of money and time to drive 4 hours on the regular basis for it when I can be back in my own bed in less than a hour. But to each his own I guess.
You must understand this is a person that is very, very, very down on Detroit and the Metro Area. I can understand why. It lacks the premier urban experience. The City as a whole is very depressed. We lack rapid transit. The thing that I don't understand, is that he doesn't have anything positive to say about the resurgence of downtown and the surrounding neighborhoods. You would be hard-pressed to find a post in which he DOES NOT take a dig at Detroit or its suburbs. You can still be critical of the city and area, but still acknowledge the great things that are happening in the Villages, the East Riverfront, and the New Center.

He is entitled to his opinion. 5-10 times is hyperbole for sure, but Chicago offers significantly more. Chicago is a world class city, while Detroit is "found wanting" (to quote the Bible).
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Old 06-25-2017, 08:59 AM
 
Location: Detroit
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You must understand this is a person that is very, very, very down on Detroit and the Metro Area. I can understand why. It lacks the premier urban experience. The City as a whole is very depressed. We lack rapid transit. The thing that I don't understand, is that he doesn't have anything positive to say about the resurgence of downtown and the surrounding neighborhoods. You would be hard-pressed to find a post in which he DOES NOT take a dig at Detroit or its suburbs. You can still be critical of the city and area, but still acknowledge the great things that are happening in the Villages, the East Riverfront, and the New Center.

He is entitled to his opinion. 5-10 times is hyperbole for sure, but Chicago offers significantly more. Chicago is a world class city, while Detroit is "found wanting" (to quote the Bible).
I think everyone is aware of the problems of inner city Detroit and the car centric attitude, ect. I understand that. And we all know Chicago is far more walkable in it's downtown and northside neighborhoods which is a big plus for the city. If Chicago is a personal preference for him then that's great... to each his own. I was just wondering what he does in Chicago for fun that he can't do in Detroit. That was actually a serious question. Because everyone I know who has lived or visited there do the same things for fun that people in Detroit do. (I'm talking about metro areas though not only city limits) I'm sure there's a few things like 6 flags, but overall the biggest difference is everything you need to see and do in Chicago is in one big walkable area vs Detroit which is more spread out. It's more of a convenience.

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