04-30-2017, 06:53 AM
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Highland Park school district now only authorizes a single charter school. Let's say the state decides to dissolve the HP school district. Should the Detroit school district take over the district's territory and assets? Or should Hamtramck school district do so? Should the city be divided between the two districts?
04-30-2017, 08:30 PM
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Would any option make much difference? If the children (and their parents) are unwilling or unprepared to learn, you can send them to the best schools in the country and it would do no good. Learning is done at home. School is supplemental.
04-30-2017, 09:28 PM
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Would any option make much difference? If the children (and their parents) are unwilling or unprepared to learn, you can send them to the best schools in the country and it would do no good. Learning is done at home. School is supplemental.
I am aware of that. One needs to find the best arrangement anyway, so the ones who do care can an least have a decent neighborhood schooling option.
In Michigan Inkster School District was broken into four parts with each part given to a different district; that was done because no very large school districts border it. In Texas the trend is usually to merge into a far larger school district that can easily absorb it: North Forest ISD was given to Houston ISD instead of the smaller districts surrounding it. Likewise Wilmer-Hutchins ISD was given to Dallas ISD instead of the smaller districts (one of the smaller ones, Lancaster ISD, refused the opportunity to take Wilmer-Hutchins even though it would have received significant tax revenue from a Union-Pacific terminal being built in the WHISD boundaries).
Based on that my guess on what would happen is that Detroit Public Schools would take over the entire Highland Park Schools territory (apparently they are already the default option for high school students), but I wonder if some people thought having Hamtramck take over would be a better option for everybody.
05-01-2017, 10:15 PM
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BTW high school students are indeed already assigned to DPS:
DPS is designated as the default school system for Highland Park kids in high school: Highland Park
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DPS will be the students’ home district.
DPS considers Northwestern High as the assigned school of Highland Park kiddos: How to Enroll - Detroit Public Schools Community District
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All 8th grade students from Highland Park are encouraged to call Detroit Collegiate Preparatory Academy at Northwestern for enrollment.
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/new...ools/71780314/
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“When you’re leaving somewhere, it can be tough, especially when you feel like it was your place,” said Kenyuano Jones, principal at Detroit Collegiate Preparatory High School at Northwestern, a DPS school. “This is going to be their home school. There isn’t going to be a rift.”
Do you guys think this arrangement should continue and/or be extended for grades K-12, or do you think Hamtramck is the better school district for educating HP kids?
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05-01-2017, 11:19 PM
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I think it is doesn't matter. Hamtramck is a lot smaller district and may be a little more stable. DPS just keeps closing schools, is not as stable, but it does offer more options like the Detroit School of Arts and the High School of Communication and Media Arts. Hamtramck would be more ethnically diverse
Just look at the following link to see how far DPS has fallen in enrollment (see page 93) - in 1999, enrollment was 174,000, in 2002, it was 160,000. Now it is less than 50,000. In less than 20 years, enrollment has fallen 125,000. Absolutely unbelievable.
http://detroit.k12.mi.us/data/financ...AFR6302002.pdf
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if Hamtramck took over highland park schools, I bet highland park would get a SMIDGE better.... for the fact that Hamtramck is better( if I'm correct). but the problem is that Hamtramck schools would get worst if that happened. if Detroit took it over, it would not make any difference , both very hard core struggling school systems. none of them have anything to lose.
05-02-2017, 04:11 AM
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if Hamtramck took over highland park schools, I bet highland park would get a SMIDGE better.... for the fact that Hamtramck is better( if I'm correct). but the problem is that Hamtramck schools would get worst if that happened. if Detroit took it over, it would not make any difference , both very hard core struggling school systems. none of them have anything to lose.
Hamtramck's school system in all metrics is better than Highland Park's and most DPS schools. It still has had issues with academic performance. Here are the metrics of Hamtramck schools:
https://www.schooldigger.com/go/MI/d...20/search.aspx - They still rank pretty poorly, but they're leagues above Highland Park schools. Here's Barber:
https://www.schooldigger.com/go/MI/s...02/school.aspx - Carver Academy used to be a part of the district but became re-authorized by somebody else:
https://www.schooldigger.com/go/MI/d...49/search.aspx and
https://www.schooldigger.com/go/MI/d...49/search.aspx
If HP became a part of Hamtramck schools I imagine it would have its own K-8 school but high school students would go to Hamtramck High. I would imagine the HP elementary would perform very poorly, but I don't know how much impact HP students would have on Hamtramck High. It's possible a large percentage already go there anyway as Hamtramck is open-enrollment.
If HP fully became part of DPS I think DPS should have Barber as its area K-8 campus, with HS students rezoned to Central High after the EAA gives up control of it (Central is far closer than Northwestern).
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Just look at the following link to see how far DPS has fallen in enrollment (see page 93) - in 1999, enrollment was 174,000, in 2002, it was 160,000. Now it is less than 50,000. In less than 20 years, enrollment has fallen 125,000. Absolutely unbelievable.
http://detroit.k12.mi.us/data/financ...AFR6302002.pdf
I've read some news articles about it. The population loss happened largely under state control. The large number of charter schools opening drained DPS of more students. Now that the state's giving it back to an elected board and the EAA is disbanding, it might help the stability of DPS.
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05-02-2017, 10:16 AM
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I don't know if Hamtramck can handle another district or larger population. In my opinion Hamtramck is barely surviving with the small school district it has. Yes it is bit better than DPS but considering its size and uniqueness, it should have been much better. I don't think Hamtramck is strong enough to carry anyone but itself. Maybe in few years but by then most cities will be doing good too.
05-03-2017, 03:28 AM
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I don't know if Hamtramck can handle another district or larger population. In my opinion Hamtramck is barely surviving with the small school district it has. Yes it is bit better than DPS but considering its size and uniqueness, it should have been much better. I don't think Hamtramck is strong enough to carry anyone but itself. Maybe in few years but by then most cities will be doing good too.
Even though Highland Park School District is down to just 333 students
https://www.schooldigger.com/go/MI/s...02/school.aspx (as Carver Elementary, which has 582 students, is no longer a part of the HP school district
https://www.schooldigger.com/go/MI/s...80/school.aspx https://www.schooldigger.com/go/MI/s...30/school.aspx ) I can see Hamtramck admins thinking that it would be too much to absorb (much like how Lancaster ISD thought Wilmer-Hutchins was too much).
Hamtramck school district has about 2,800 students
https://www.schooldigger.com/go/MI/d...20/search.aspx
05-03-2017, 08:33 AM
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I did not realize Highland park only had 333 students. I was thinking over 1000. That changes the dynamic. But would they keep existing building in Highland park operating so kids have school close to home but keep administration under Hamtramck. That might still be too much for Hamtramck to handle but they can easily absorb 333 kids because many residents have been pulling their kids out for charter school. I am sure Hamtramck lost more kids to local charter school in last 5 years than the 333 they will obtain from Highland park.
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People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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