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Old 05-22-2017, 10:09 AM
 
Location: Detroit
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LOL. I'll take your OC and raise you SF and Boston.

880 and 80 though the East Bay are not nearly big enough for the volume. 80 Through Berkeley is only 4 lanes each way + car pool in an area of almost 9 million people and anyone going east or north is going through Berkeley.

I live 35 miles from Boston. My train commute takes 80 minutes door to door. A couple weeks ago, I drove because I had an appointment. It took me 3 hours in traffic then another 30 minutes on the subway
Jesus, and I thought Chicago's freeway system sucked. I personally think Detroit has too many freeways (which ruined many neighborhoods near downtown) but idk, is it better to have too many freeways or not enough? I'm kind of middle of the road on this one. On one hand I hate extreme congestion, things are so unpredictable it's hard to make plans, show up to things on time, ect. On the other hand, not having a good freeway system discourages extreme sprawl (nobody wants to live 30 miles away if it's going to take them 2 hours everyday there and back), it encourages public transportation, and it makes the city core more viable because people want to live closer to work.

If were talking about a place like NYC I think the congestion is worth it because you absolutely no reason to leave Manhattan if you live and work there. The core of Atlanta on the other hand isn't anymore impressive than the core of Detroit. You have to hop on the freeway to go alot of places in Atlanta even moreso than Detroit, and Atlanta's traffic congestion is horrendous. So to me the congestion in Atlanta is not worth it because I actually need my car to go more than 10-15 miles.
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Old 05-22-2017, 01:29 PM
 
Location: Grosse Ile Michigan
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Jesus, and I thought Chicago's freeway system sucked.
Cruising with Jesus? What did He think of Detroit in general?
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Old 05-22-2017, 07:23 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit
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Detroit has an amazing freeway system.

Outside of the 375, I think every freeway is important and useful. The 96 feels a bit over-built and the 75 definitely feels underbuilt (though they're working on that), but bias-aside I believe Detroit has one of the best large-metro freeway systems in the nation, which is exactly why public transit is so crappy here. Your typical commuter in Novi or New Baltimore can still get to downtown in 45 minutes most days, so what possible need do they need a rail or BRT?
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Old 05-23-2017, 08:56 AM
 
Location: Minnesota (SLP)
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So thought the Traffic was bad (when I lived there) but have found it just a normal congestion for a large Metro area. It's fairly easy to navigate, once you get used to the MI Left.


Best place in the area to escape the rat race: Harsens Island. I loved visiting and living there. Commute in was tough getting to Troy so I ended up living in Shelby Twp. Saw that area going through some rapid growth.
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Old 05-24-2017, 10:11 AM
 
Location: Southeast Michigan
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I'm not a native so excuse my ignorance on this...what is there to see/do on Harsens Island?
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Old 05-24-2017, 11:44 AM
 
Location: my little town
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I was never on Harsens Island, but part of getting to it is a ferry without walls or rails, so I imagined rolling off it. Maps show a big park there.

The city of Detroit can be a place to live without a car. Suburbs need cars and roads. When I see unrepaired roads in all directions, I think the suburbs are dying.
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Old 05-24-2017, 02:47 PM
 
Location: Grosse Ile Michigan
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Apparently they have a restaurant so you can eat there.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harsens_Island
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Old 05-24-2017, 03:21 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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Harsens Island used to be the southern version of Mackinac.
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Old 05-26-2017, 12:37 AM
 
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Detroit has an amazing freeway system.
but bias-aside I believe Detroit has one of the best large-metro freeway systems in the nation, which is exactly why public transit is so crappy here.
I think you've got that backwards, Boss....

And btw, I don't think there is such a thing as "an amazing freeway system." Those cities that have mega-freeway systems are usually dysfunctional by most measures of what it takes to be a healthy city, especially in terms of connected-ness, walk-ability and a coordinated and unified urban fabric...

Exhibit A? ... well, Detroit... It's improving, but still has light years to go on all these fronts, and more.


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Your typical commuter in Novi or New Baltimore can still get to downtown in 45 minutes most days, so what possible need do they need a rail or BRT?
Unfortunately too many Detroiters think this way, which means serious mass transit for Detroit is many years into the future -- the City/metro area can't even get the reasonably easy Detroit-Ann Arbor commuter train done as it keeps delaying it further and further into the future... This is all very frustrating for someone like me who really wants to see Detroit really leap forward.
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Old 05-26-2017, 09:04 AM
 
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I think you've got that backwards, Boss....

And btw, I don't think there is such a thing as "an amazing freeway system." Those cities that have mega-freeway systems are usually dysfunctional by most measures of what it takes to be a healthy city, especially in terms of connected-ness, walk-ability and a coordinated and unified urban fabric...

Exhibit A? ... well, Detroit... It's improving, but still has light years to go on all these fronts, and more.




Unfortunately too many Detroiters think this way, which means serious mass transit for Detroit is many years into the future -- the City/metro area can't even get the reasonably easy Detroit-Ann Arbor commuter train done as it keeps delaying it further and further into the future... This is all very frustrating for someone like me who really wants to see Detroit really leap forward.
A giant mass transit system is never happening in Detroit. Never. Not ever. The half-baked RTA plan would have required a massive tax subsidy with even the rosiest of predictions and would have benefited a tiny fraction of residents. People here have no desire to have their taxes increase for a hipster wet dream that will end up being an albatross on the taxpayers. It's the Motor City. Get used to it or move to whatever you consider to be a connected-ness city.
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