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Old 06-18-2017, 10:58 AM
 
Location: Detroit
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I've been meaning to make a thread about this a few weeks ago to see what you guys think Detroit considers closing part of Woodward Avenue for pedestrian block | MLive.com

It looks like a pretty dumb idea to me. I'm sorry, I don't like it, why Woodward and Jefferson? why not some tiny side street? Most people still drive and it seems like more of a inconvenience then a pleasure. Especially when there's Hart Plaza and the riverwalk a block away and Campus Martius a few blocks the other direction. I haven't been downtown in almost a month so I don't know first hand what it looks like yet.
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Old 06-18-2017, 09:44 PM
 
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They closed-off Woodward for a block between Jefferson & Larned. It really doesn't seem like it did anything negative for traffic.

The street grid in that area is so under-utilized as it is it really didn't cause any congestion or issues. It doesn't impede traffic on Jefferson. In fact, it might make traffic flow better on Jefferson without the turning traffic.

They've basically put up temporary barricades, put some colorfully painted designs on the street, and put some tables/chairs and other things.

I haven't really walked around that area during lunchtime but I'm curious if its getting much use. Granted its adjacent to the Q-line end point.
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Old 06-18-2017, 10:36 PM
 
Location: Detroit
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They closed-off Woodward for a block between Jefferson & Larned. It really doesn't seem like it did anything negative for traffic.

The street grid in that area is so under-utilized as it is it really didn't cause any congestion or issues. It doesn't impede traffic on Jefferson. In fact, it might make traffic flow better on Jefferson without the turning traffic.

They've basically put up temporary barricades, put some colorfully painted designs on the street, and put some tables/chairs and other things.

I haven't really walked around that area during lunchtime but I'm curious if its getting much use. Granted its adjacent to the Q-line end point.
That's good. I'm hearing from some people who work there that it was a clusterfu*k during rush hour. Lots of confused people.
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Old 06-18-2017, 11:18 PM
 
Location: Back in the Mitten. Formerly NC
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I haven't been out to see it, either. (Too hot lately- I've been hibernating in the office, lol.)

While I question the decision, part of me hopes it prevents me from getting run over crossing Woodward in front of the Chase building. For whatever reason people traveling toward Jefferson seem to think that the light at Campus Martius is optional. Since they are now heading to an almost dead in, maybe I will have fewer near death experiences...

Where has Gilbert stuck his plethora of shuttle buses waiting to take his employees out to their cars in New Center? They are usually parked all around 1 Detroit. This has to have effected them.
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Old 06-19-2017, 08:05 AM
 
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It is hideous and was very poorly implemented. Some sidewalk chalk, garbage cans and a couple of trees from Lowes. Gilbert did a much better job up Woodward
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Old 06-20-2017, 12:37 PM
 
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It is hideous and was very poorly implemented. Some sidewalk chalk, garbage cans and a couple of trees from Lowes. Gilbert did a much better job up Woodward
I thought that it was not permanent. More of a test like they did on Randolph in front of Buffalo Wild Wings. If they make it permanent, I'd suspect it would be nicer.

Again, still haven't meandered down there despite today being gorgeous! I did notice there are more food trucks. Nice to have more options for lunch.
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Old 06-21-2017, 07:25 AM
 
Location: Grosse Ile Michigan
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I have been too sick to get out there, but I like the concept.

Campus Martius is getting over crowded at lunch time, so it is a good idea to spread things out a bit. I used to really enjoy the variety the food trucks brought, but waiting over half an hour in line to buy a $12 sandwich and go hunt for a place to sit to eat it does not really appeal to me. I guess I am getting old. Hopefully spreading out to Woodward will make the food trucks a bit more practical again.

Hopefully they will add a stage and have music there too. That will help spread out the C.M. crowd some and give more performers a chance to exhibit their skills.

Someday, they need to find a way to tie the Ren Cen into the rest of the city if that is possible. Maybe a corridor of food and shops form hart plaza to this Woodward plaza would work. They would need to build a deck over part of Jefferson for it to work, (just leave Jefferson in a tunnel a bit longer.) WCCC made good use of the old railroad bridges over the freeway. If they did the same thing and created an outdoor shop area to tie the Ren Cen to the City, it might help correct the Ren Cen mistake. (or it may just be a monumental waste of money).
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Old 06-21-2017, 10:17 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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I thought that it was not permanent. More of a test like they did on Randolph in front of Buffalo Wild Wings. If they make it permanent, I'd suspect it would be nicer.

Again, still haven't meandered down there despite today being gorgeous! I did notice there are more food trucks. Nice to have more options for lunch.
It's a 90 day thing, but as proof of concept it is kind of silly. Badly painted street art, a bunch of trash cans and cheap picnic tables. They need to steer people out of One Woodward, the Coleman Young Building and the surrounding offices to make this permanent (something that I would enjoy, honestly) but you can't adequately do that on such notice imo. Hopefully more work is put in if this is approved to tie Woodward to the Riverfront.
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Old 06-21-2017, 10:58 AM
 
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I have wondered why they don't just fully close-off all of Caddilac Square and make that a pedestrian-only street.
They already close-off the one section in the summer months, they should just make it permenant all the way to Randolph.

I mean you have to laugh at the absurd amount of street capacity in the CBD compared to most major cities. Try driving down the streets in downtown Chicago or New York compared to our free-flowing, empty, traffic/congestion free streets.
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Old 06-21-2017, 11:37 AM
 
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I have wondered why they don't just fully close-off all of Caddilac Square and make that a pedestrian-only street.
They already close-off the one section in the summer months, they should just make it permenant all the way to Randolph.

I mean you have to laugh at the absurd amount of street capacity in the CBD compared to most major cities. Try driving down the streets in downtown Chicago or New York compared to our free-flowing, empty, traffic/congestion free streets.
Well one major difference is the street grid network in Chi and NYC or even Philly, every street downtown is basically a major street because every one of their streets is like the rest of Detroit where even the side streets go on for miles. Downtown Detroit on the other hand, most of downtown Detroit's streets go like a few blocks long before it ends. There are not too many streets in downtown Detroit that go all the way through the downtown. This imo is going to be somewhat of a problem in the future.

And then the other thing is obviously there are far more people not only working but LIVING downtown. With all the parking lots in downtown, downtown Detroit should have 50,000 residents. Look what happened to Center City in Philly after they kept moving people in, in order for downtown Detroit to get to that next level it needs more residents in and near downtown. That in turn will create a ton of demand for more retail, food, services, ect and even more jobs downtown. Don't get me wrong, I don't want downtown Detroit to be as congested as Manhattan, hell no! at least not until we got better transportation options.
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