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Old 12-21-2008, 11:20 AM
 
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Detroit got a bad reputation from the riots a long time ago. The city was beautiful and prosperous before then.
Detroit started its decline as soon as the war contracts dried up after WWII. The country prospered because of the war, which was what lifted it out of the Depression. Once all that unskilled labor from the south and other parts of the country ran out of work to do because of no more war contracts, and the GI's started coming home, the die was cast, no pun intended.

year rank population

1840 40 9102
1850 30 21019
1860 19 45619
1870 18 79577
1880 18 116340
1890 15 205876
1900 13 285704
1910 9 465766
1920 4 993078
1930 4 1568662
1940 4 1623452
1950 5 1849568
1960 5 1670144
1970 5 1511482
1980 6 1203339
1990 7 1027974
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Old 12-24-2008, 11:28 PM
 
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Detroit is a large city, and was once the 4th largest city in the country, so in terms of entertainment, museums, and history it has a lot more to offer than most of the cities that you mentioned. Since it was once a very prosperous city, there are still a lot of mansions and "historic districts" I think most people would be surprised by areas such as palmer woods, indian village, boston-edison, and rosedale park. However, much of the city--in terms of abandonment and deterioration of buildings--is far worse than any other city that I have ever visited.
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Old 12-27-2008, 12:29 AM
 
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First off, let me say that I have never been to Detroit and never got a chance to experience things for myself. Everything I know comes from the internet and city-data forums.

I know Detroit has a high crime rate, low high-school graduation rate, and low median income, but:

Downtown Detroit is extremely safe according to statistics.

Detroit is VERY cheap for a big city.

The population density is not nearly as high as most other 'hoods'.

Bad neighborhoods seem to be a good distance from livable neighborhoods.

Considering all of this, is Detroit SUCH a disaster? So what if there are abandoned buildings, they are not bothering anyone except for contributing to the grittiness of the city. The houses there look BIG, can all these 'gangstas' and 'thugs' be sleeping in these mansions at night and want to seem 'ghetto' during the day? I am from Miami and the unfortunate here are crammed in tiny, dirty apartments. Many people in Miami come from other countries and arrive in America with NOTHING. SOME EVEN COME ON RAFTS FOR CRYING OUT LOUD. And yet, they still manage to find jobs and not make their city the epitome of a ghetto (although Miami's average income is alarmingly low).

So can all you fellow city-data-ers please help me understand this magical place that is Detroit? Can you compare it to the city i know best (Miami) so I can have an idea of what Detroit is like? How does it compare to East Coast cities (Philly, Baltimore, DC, Newark...). Or is Detroit simply hopeless, a forgotten wasteland like East Saint Louis?

P.S. It is not my intention to put down Detroit or any other cities mentioned.


Thank-you in advance for all replies.
The reason there are so many run down "mansions" is because there is so much crime that people who once had money had to leave that area. Poverty and crime are 2 totally different things that people often think always go hand and hand. You have to understand that the value of these "mansions" are so low because of how messed up an area is. It is easy to see how crime can grow out of poverty but often times crime brings on poverty.

Yes, there are a lot of poor imigrants in Miami, but a lot of them have goodness in their hearts and are not criminals so culturally they evolve over generations. In places like Detroit there tend to be a lot of criminals which cause it to be so messed up. Whether it is poverty, greed, ignorance or what ever that brings on these criminals you have to understand that the criminals are what make places rough and messed up to live in.

I been to Tegucigalpa and there are a lot of poor people there and some crime but there are not as near as many career criminals like in places like Detroit. A lot of poor people are happy, but just on hard times.

NOT TO MENTION THE FACT THAT MIAMI HAS BEAUTIFUL WEATHER WHILE MOST OF THE CITIES THAT YOU MENTIONHAVE TERRIBLE WINTERS. lol

No but seriously winters make people go crazy.
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Old 12-27-2008, 03:52 AM
 
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I feel compelled to pile on here.

A few bars near Comerica Park and Ford Field (home of the 0-15 Lions) does not a city make.

I am all for optimisim, but to say that the city of Detroit is anything less than a complete and utter disaster is to ignore reality. Yes, every large city has problems with proverty, crime, etc. However, (and I have seen a lot of American cities) nowhere will you find it on a scope and scale that compares with Detroit.

There are entire sections of the city that used to be neighborhoods that are empty, execpt for maybe the shell of a burned out house or two. They are truly "urban praries". Some of the few people who still live there have taken to raising gardens on all the vacant land; partially just to fill it up with something, but also because there are no major grocery stores within the city limits. Even in the heart of downtown, there are skyscrapers that have been vacant for 20 years. Imagine that. This is in the very heart of the city.

I could go on and talk about crime and poverty statistics, nonexistant city services, the worst school system in the country, etc.

There have been some rough spots in the city's history, which happens everywhere. What makes Detroit unique, however, is its ability to take a bad situation and make it much worse.

Of course, the beginning of the end were the 1967 riots. If that crippled the city, then the election of Coleman Young was a deathblow. His 20-year reign of bigotry, incompetence, and corruption absolutely ran the city into the ground and helped establish the Detroit vs. the suburbs fued that continues to this day.

Of course, over the years, Young, Dennis Archer, and of course, Kwame, have all tried to apply a number of Band-Aids to what much be considered a gushing open-head wound. These include the Renaissance Center, Cobo Hall, Joe Louis Arena, the People Mover, the casinos (Greektown filed for bankruptcy, and the others aren't far behind), Comerica Park, Ford Field, and the Super Bowl. All of these things might give people a temporary feel-good attitude, but in the end, do nothing to solve the systemic problems that the city faces:

Corrupt, incompetent leadership. Unless people who have a clue begin to occupy seats in the mayor's office, city council, and school board, nothing will change. Of course, this is a problem when the people electing them are some of the most poorly educated in the country. I think about 47% of adults in Detroit are functionally illiterate.

This corrupt, incompetant leadership also wrecks the economy. I mean why would any sane business owner deal with the taxes, red tape, and beaurocratic nonsense that one must endure to do business in Detroit (or the rest of Michigan for that matter). The answer is, they wouldn't and they don't. Witness Comerica moving its headquarters to Dallas.
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Old 12-27-2008, 10:48 PM
 
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MonkeyButler7000 wrote
"Of course, the beginning of the end were the 1967 riots."

...is not accurate. That is a big misconception that white folks need to know. The city of Detroit was in decline long before the riots. In fact, Detroit's population declined by 180,000 people between 1950 and 1960.

And yes, Detroit is a very decrepid, dilapidated, crime-ridden place. But know this: no other city has seen the complete and utter abandonment by its white middle and upper class like Detroit has. There are other majority black cities that have elected black mayors where at least white folks have established businesses in their downtowns - Baltimore, Washington DC, Cleveland, Atlanta, New Orleans (before Katrina).
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Old 12-27-2008, 11:15 PM
 
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We live about an hour outside of Detroit. We have new neighbors who just moved out of the city. They told me they could not even own a TV because every time they bought a new one, somebody would break in and steal it.
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Old 12-30-2008, 07:14 AM
 
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I was on a flight Christmas eve from Houston to Chicago. The flight was going to continue on to Detroit. While on the ground the captain asked all those continuing on to Detroit to raise their hands. After raising their hands, the captain made a snide comment "well misery loves company". I just thought to myself how rude and inconsiderate of him. If Detroit were my hometown I'd be offended by that. But most folks just kind of laughed it off. It just seems like Detroit has such a major perception problem. I guess in order to fix the perception problem you have to fix the real problems that plagued the city. But if folks think the city is so horrible, it makes it difficult to want to invest in it. Detroit definitely needs to promote a better image of itself. Don't sit and allow people to ridicule the city endlessly.
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Old 12-31-2008, 01:03 AM
 
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Originally Posted by traveler445 View Post
First off, let me say that I have never been to Detroit and never got a chance to experience things for myself. Everything I know comes from the internet and city-data forums.

I know Detroit has a high crime rate, low high-school graduation rate, and low median income, but:

Downtown Detroit is extremely safe according to statistics.

Detroit is VERY cheap for a big city.

The population density is not nearly as high as most other 'hoods'.

Bad neighborhoods seem to be a good distance from livable neighborhoods.

Considering all of this, is Detroit SUCH a disaster? So what if there are abandoned buildings, they are not bothering anyone except for contributing to the grittiness of the city. The houses there look BIG, can all these 'gangstas' and 'thugs' be sleeping in these mansions at night and want to seem 'ghetto' during the day? I am from Miami and the unfortunate here are crammed in tiny, dirty apartments. Many people in Miami come from other countries and arrive in America with NOTHING. SOME EVEN COME ON RAFTS FOR CRYING OUT LOUD. And yet, they still manage to find jobs and not make their city the epitome of a ghetto (although Miami's average income is alarmingly low).

So can all you fellow city-data-ers please help me understand this magical place that is Detroit? Can you compare it to the city i know best (Miami) so I can have an idea of what Detroit is like? How does it compare to East Coast cities (Philly, Baltimore, DC, Newark...). Or is Detroit simply hopeless, a forgotten wasteland like East Saint Louis?

P.S. It is not my intention to put down Detroit or any other cities mentioned.


Thank-you in advance for all replies.
I have live here my whole life (almost) Yes Detroit , like any city can be rough. We are having a harder time thean the rest of the country right now mainly due to the Auto crunch. People in and surrounding Detroit work hard and are giving people. People who don't have a lot to give constantly step up to the plate in disasters. food drives, helping the homeless which we have a lot of. There are great Collages in and around Detroit, Wonderful Museums and theaters. A very diverse and talented population. We just got rid of a corrupt Mayor Kwame Kilpatric and are just starting to clean house OF a corrupt Government, Just like any big City we have political BS. The surrounding suburbs are rich also with a night life , many many different types of foods from Asian to Mexican, Ti, Greek. We have 3 large Casinos always open and full. For Visitors we have beautiful hotel restored from the 20's , that would shame New York City. Come visit, but like and where these days bring you common sense. We have just become a whipping dog for the media. We also have just completed the "River Walk" a sort of board walk that travels the Detroit River. All summer we have music festivals on the river front, all kinds of music. It is the birth place of many great artist in MO-town. We have the speed boat races on the water and the huge car race( forget what its called but its big) on Bell Isle, which is like a miny Central Park. and island you cross a small bridge. We have a lot , I just wish people would stop focusing on the negative.
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Old 01-01-2009, 10:31 AM
 
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Detroit is the Armpit of the world. I lived their, you have to pay Detroit taxes if you work their and don't live their, the crime is through the roof. and there are visual racial tensions abroad. The Utmost thing about Detroit, there is a lot of bad, but Detroit is a city of fighters. black and white alike. Detroiter's are strong willed and hard working people with lots of potential.
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Old 01-01-2009, 05:45 PM
 
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I don't understand why people who have never even set foot there think Detroit is the bowel of the earth. It's a big city like any other -- emptier and more neglected, right now in very deep kaka of course -- but like any other city it has lots of nice people and cool places to see. I don't see why it gets elected to be the butt of jokes decade after decade.
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