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Old 05-27-2008, 01:15 PM
 
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Thanks for the imput, the place I am looking at is North of 9mile, just south of 10 mile and 696.
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Old 05-27-2008, 01:22 PM
 
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I don't know much about Oak Park, I have only driven through the city. Some of it looks okay, but some of the buildings don't look well cared for. If I were to move there my question would be, do things seem to be improving or going downhill? I don't know the answer to that question, maybe someone who lives there or close to it can answer.
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Old 05-27-2008, 04:18 PM
 
Location: Garden City, MI
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Well they just redid their "downtown" area at 9 Mile and Coolidge Hwy, but the people walking around it were a little "ghetto", I guess the thug look is in there. But it's a decent mix of people.

It's near Ferndale which is definitely improving, so there has to be some trickle over. The whole are there, lower Royal Oak, Pleasant Ridge, Ferndale, Huntington Woods, is a very nice community. Oak park is the cheapest there basically.

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Old 05-28-2008, 12:35 PM
 
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I would think the commute to AA would be reason enough not to move to Oak Park. But if you don't mind the drive, that area you mention is decent. Not too sure about the schools though, if you will need them I would look into that. Look up Greatschools and they will give you ratings and comparisons. I know that part of OP goes to Ferndale and those schools are not great.
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Old 05-28-2008, 01:02 PM
 
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I would think the commute to AA would be reason enough not to move to Oak Park. But if you don't mind the drive, that area you mention is decent. Not too sure about the schools though, if you will need them I would look into that. Look up Greatschools and they will give you ratings and comparisons. I know that part of OP goes to Ferndale and those schools are not great.
Agreed to the commute.

I take all the school talk on this forum with a grain of salt. A lot of it is here say. Ferndale actually got good ratings on GreatSchools.com. Then again so did my High School, which is private, costs a few thousand a year, and it's a joke. Schools are not necessarily all teachers, it's what you make of them, and the people you're in class with.
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Old 05-28-2008, 01:25 PM
 
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Agreed to the commute.

I take all the school talk on this forum with a grain of salt. A lot of it is here say. Ferndale actually got good ratings on GreatSchools.com. Then again so did my High School, which is private, costs a few thousand a year, and it's a joke. Schools are not necessarily all teachers, it's what you make of them, and the people you're in class with.
How do they rate schools, obviously I don't have kids, but I never understood the obsession with schools. It seems to me with the exception of truly unsafe schools, a child and his parents will direct how well his schooling is. Maybe I'm totally wrong, but I can't see organizing my families whole life around a school district. Sorry to go off topic.
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Old 05-28-2008, 06:15 PM
 
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How do they rate schools, obviously I don't have kids, but I never understood the obsession with schools. It seems to me with the exception of truly unsafe schools, a child and his parents will direct how well his schooling is. Maybe I'm totally wrong, but I can't see organizing my families whole life around a school district. Sorry to go off topic.
Totally agree with that. As long as they're not like DPS, I'd say they're all kind of on par with each other. You mught get a great English teacher here, bad math teacher there, great science teacher here, horrible language teacher there. There's generally bad and good teachers at ALL schools. Luck of the draw. Go to a great school, get a bad teacher. Go to a poor school, get a great teacher. It happens.
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Old 05-28-2008, 06:58 PM
 
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I can't speak for metro Detroit so much, in regards to schools, but I am pretty sure it is the same anywhere you go. Here's my take.

I grew up in Dallas. Went to private school until HS, then went to public school. I actually was BEHIND when I got to public school. I also went to a Dallas ISD school. They were OK when I was in HS, but over the last 10 years, they have gotten a little worse. Not all of them, of course. But many, MANY people choose not to send their kids to Dallas ISD schools.

So...when my husband and I were looking to buy a house, we bought IN the city, but in a different school district. The schools were much better, academically. And like DISD, they were quite diverse, which was OK with us. I think the problem is, that many school districts severely underpay their teachers. Dallas has gotten better, but is still no where NEAR some of the surrounding districts. I would have to imagine this is the same way here. So in return, they often hire teachers that either aren't that great, or aren't that qualified (for instance, they hire a an English teacher to teach math, just to fill the position).

Keep in mind that public schools are just that: PUBLIC. So, anyone that lives in that school area (or in some cases, like WB, they can live elsewhere) can send their kids to their particular neighborhood school. This is why I LIKE public education. Anyone is welcome (for the most part). However, when you have schools that don't pay as well, with unmotivated teachers, I feel that the children suffer sometimes. Last year, my daughter had a few kids in her class whose parents had to work nights. They were raised by their teenaged siblings. They weren't learning, weren't doing homework, and were suffering. The teacher HAD to spend more time with them. Luckily, we were in a good district. They had reading specialists and others, to come in and help with either the kids who weren't reading, or they would work with the kids that were, while the teacher helped the others. By the end of the year, the entire class was reading.

This got really long. I'm not saying that in order for your child to succeed, they have to be in the very "BEST" school district. But I DO think that school districts matter, which is why it is usually important for people moving to new areas to research different schools. Don't we all want the best for our kids?
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Old 05-28-2008, 09:49 PM
 
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How do they rate schools, obviously I don't have kids, but I never understood the obsession with schools. It seems to me with the exception of truly unsafe schools, a child and his parents will direct how well his schooling is. Maybe I'm totally wrong, but I can't see organizing my families whole life around a school district. Sorry to go off topic.
Basically, I think that the site mentioned goes by test scores. That is by far not the only criteria that I would use to gauge whether a school is "good" or not. I believe the social aspects of the school can have a negative or a positive effect on children too. You have to know your kid. For example: my daughter is relatively shy. She does well in school, but she shys away from joining any clubs, teams...maybe she would do better in a smaller school, but that could backfire too. Sometimes it is a crapshoot and so you go with the overall best you can and then like you said make sure you direct them.

My personal experience is that all the directing in the world is not going to stop some from doing whatever they want and if you are in a substandard school or a district where the social values differ greatly from yours they may be much more easily swayed in the wrong direction. I know it could happen anywhere but I prefer to start where I feel it is best to my knowledge. (Most I can gather anyway)
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Old 05-28-2008, 10:04 PM
 
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Agreed to the commute.

I take all the school talk on this forum with a grain of salt. A lot of it is here say. Ferndale actually got good ratings on GreatSchools.com. Then again so did my High School, which is private, costs a few thousand a year, and it's a joke. Schools are not necessarily all teachers, it's what you make of them, and the people you're in class with.
You are right about the Ferndale ratings. Better than I would have guessed. I grew up in Ferndale, went to school there from elementary up. Graduated from Ferndale High School. Alot has changed and not for the better, IMO. I would NEVER send my kids there. They moved the junior high in with the HS. Big mistake. The JH is a joke. Much worse than before and this is relatively recent so it is my thought that when those children go to HS the scores will fall. Or hopefully they will mature. They have closed so many elementarys down because of falling attendance. Reasons being; smaller families, younger families moving out, schools of choice and they are sending their children to other cities, and the increase in gay residents (not having children).

I have many family members still living there. Two nieces and a nephew. One niece and the nephew go to FHS and are a mess, don't know if they will graduate. Nephew started out all honors until he hit 10th grade. Other niece was shipped to Clawson and is doing well, but starting to falter as she recently moved back to Ferndale, still goes to Clawson schools though. Still have many friends there and they either don't have kids or are getting out before they go to jr. high. So, you are right-ratings should be taken with a grain of salt as there is so much more to consider than what they actually use to rate. I stand corrected.

Would I move there? Yes, if I did not have school age kids. I love Ferndale. Most parts of it I would feel very safe living, some are becoming more questionable-read the news on that. Love the Woodward corridor area and Nine Mile-in fact I am probably over there most weekends. (Gas is killing me, I was there Fri, Sat, and Sun. this weekend!) Old habits die hard!!
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