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Old 06-08-2008, 06:32 PM
 
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"Now, if you moved to an 98 percent black neighborhood that is decline (which is what most of the city is), then the folks might look at you kind of strange...but besides the occasional "go back to the suburbs" remark by some jerk, you will not be recieved coldly."
Oh please--
Twenty five years ago, if you had a white face, you couldn't drive down to your old neighborhood in SW Detroit, and slow down without getting mobbed. What makes you think it is any better today?
Sorry, I meant NW Detroit
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Old 06-08-2008, 07:17 PM
 
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How can you say all these things about Detroit, when over 1.5 million mostly White people were in Detroit for the Red Wings Parade and Celebration!! SW Detroit has all races living there. NW Detroit has all races living there. There are more Arabs, Hispanics, Asians, Whites and Indians living in Detroit then you want to admit. This Fall, the 3rd quarter statistics regarding the fall out from the lost of jobs, downsizing, lower wages scales, and forced retirements will be revealed. Many people will be moving into Detroit. They won't be able to afford the homes in the suburbs that are now to "Costly". Most of the homes are overpriced, and many home buyers owe more than they can Sell the houses for. Remember, this country is controlled by "think tanks" by individuals with IQ's over 140. They plan economic, job, banking, mortgage, stock market ups and downs and the effects it will have on our economy. Foreign trade and the global economy that exists now was not by accident. This was a planned maneuver to bring the "living wage" in line with the foreign wage scale. $10.00 - $14.00 is our new wage scale. You can't afford homes over $60,000.00 with this income scale. Many changes are yet to come in Michigan and within this country. This recession is predicted to last 7 more years!!
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Old 06-08-2008, 07:24 PM
 
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How are race relations in SW Detroit. I know it has Hispanics do they fight with blacks or whites.
If I had to live in Detroit as a European-American of modest means, I'd probably live downtown. If my means were too modest to live downtown, I'd probably live in Southwest Detroit. You won't have problems with Mexicans who go to work every day whether you're white, black or Hispanic. You'll have problems with young gangsters. Best bet is to drive around the area on a hot summer evening and see if you think you can handle it. Or go to some of the old neighborhood bars and buy a round and ask the regulars where the decent blocks are. Try Stempiens. Because in just about every neighborhood in the city anymore, except for the pricey areas, it's a block-by-block proposition. There are areas of Southwest Detroit that are actually improving with homeowners actually fixing up their houses. You might also try checking at area churches for advice. Try Most Holy Trinity. It's in Corktown which is getting a little trendy. It's close to downtown and the casinos.

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How can you say all these things about Detroit, when over 1.5 million mostly White people were in Detroit for the Red Wings Parade and Celebration!!
Because there haven't been that many white folks in Detroit since the Packard plant closed? Or because it was a one-day event and they were outta there as soon as the Porta Johns filled up and the sun went down?
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Old 06-08-2008, 08:27 PM
 
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Packard Plant?? Was that an automobile plant in the 1930's?? My employment was with General Motors as a Salaried employee in the Financial Div. I also have a Bachelor of Science Degree from the University of Detroit-Mercy. I am glad that the African-Americans, White, Asian, and Latinos, that I knew in college and at the GM Tech Center in Warren did not think like you. Foreign trade (Mexico, China, India) and the Global economy that exists now was not by accident. Can't you see this!! This was a planned maneuver to bring the "living wage" in line with the foreign wage scale. $10.00 - $14.00 is our new wage scale. You can't afford homes over $60,000.00 with this income scale. Many changes are yet to come in Michigan and within this country. This recession is predicted to last 7 more years!!

My friends live in Rosedale Park, Greenacres Village, Sherwood Forest, East English Village, Russell Woods, the University District and Warrendale. These are nice areas in Detroit. I also have friends who live in the suburbs. I do not limit my social interaction with people. The Lord created us all....one human race.
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Old 06-09-2008, 08:57 AM
 
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Default Racism gradually fading away

Thankfully, overt racism in both directions inside and outside of Detroit is fairly uncommon nowadays, I think. Again, that is overt racism because I can't speak for what everybody is thinking. My experience living downtown for the past 2 years as someone of mixed heritage who is largely perceived as white and occasionally Asian has been entirely uneventful in terms of racial tension, except for one small run in I had with Detroit cops in a situation where I was simply an innocent bystander (not a major crime mind you, just a traffic situation after a sporting event). I'm sure the cops were just frustrated with all the idiots on the streets. Unfortunately, I have heard snickers and disparaging remarks about non-white locals from folks who were obviously in from out of town, but maybe that's because they stand out and thus are hit up by all the bums preying on suburban guilt, which unfortunately for the bums many suburbanites simply don't have. This is not an indictment of the suburban dwellers who come into the city on occasion; they don't need to feel guilt for Detroit's current state unless they contributed in some way.
I have gone exploring in some rather unsavory neighborhoods around the city where I get strange looks now and then because I probably look very out of place, but never any hostility.
Looks like Bill McGraw and the crew at the Free Press had a similar experience in that they did not run into any problems working on this special series (link below). The related web site is quite informative without making a declarative statement either way. This was a very impressive piece; I particularly recommend the interactive map page that has a map overlaid with locations at which photos or video were taken.

Driving Detroit - A Freep.com special series
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Old 06-09-2008, 02:25 PM
 
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I am glad that the African-Americans, White, Asian, and Latinos, that I knew in college and at the GM Tech Center in Warren did not think like you.
You mean think like me in that Detroit is a crappy place to live? I would find it hard to believe that most of the Blacks, Whites, Asians and Latinos that worked at the Warren Tech. Center didn't think like me. Yes. Detroit is a crappy place to live, and it will be until they fix the schools. And they're not going to fix the schools.

You want people to move from a house in the suburbs to the University District or Sherwood Forest because they can't afford the suburbs? Are you kidding? What does the median house cost in the University District or Sherwood Forest or even Rosedale Park (which isn't nearly as nice as it was even 10 years ago). And what would it cost to send your kid to U of D High, and what would your car and house insurance be and what would your taxes be on a $200,000.00 house in Detroit if you bought it today? And we're supposed to move to Detroit because it's CHEAPER? If you just have to have an old house that was built well, surrounded by ghetto and a public school system in shambles, sure move to Detroit. If you want a decent quality of life for your kids, I'd settle for a 2000 square foot house in the suburbs even if it didn't have cove molding and fancy steam radiators. Some of us feel an obligation to raise our families in a better environment.

Sure, here's a beautiful 4000 square foot house on Birchcrest for less than $260,000.00. What are the taxes? Insurance? What would you do with your kids? Have them ride their bikes over to Gregg's Pizza at night? Are you kidding? There's a reason U of D has an 8 foot wrought iron fence all the way around it and armed guards at the entrance booth. It ain't to keep the students in.





You and I both know what you get in the suburbs for $260,000.00. You get this:

Plus decent schools, lower taxes, lower insurance PEACE OF MIND, fewer pitbulls and dope houses and a neighborhood your kids can walk around in. And when the Wings win you can drive downtown for that one special day per year.

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Old 06-09-2008, 03:07 PM
 
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Maxine3,

There are still white folks in pockets in the Northwest Detroit. Especially in the nicer neighborhoods like Rosedale/Grandmont and the Palmer Woods/University District/Sherwood Forest Area. Also, MANY white folks can still be seen in the non-historic Brightmoor, Old Redford, and Warrendale neighborhoods. I even saw a white man walking his dog in the Russell Woods-Sullivan neighborhood. I've seen white folks in the La Salle Gardens neighborhood (off of Linwood, mind you), and the Oakman Boulevard Historic district which is surrounded by 100% black ghettohoods,

Last night, I even saw a white person sitting on a porch in a house on Taylor street near the Old Northern High School. I doubt white folks are targeted as much as you think.

To Nearborn,
The hope is that, if people do start moving back because of the cheaper housing, then the communities that these people move to will eventually reflect the communities from which they came. It's probably not realistic.
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Old 06-09-2008, 06:02 PM
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''Wth 100% blackghettohoods?'' What the heck does that mean?

Oh so only ''BLACKS'' are ghetto. That's a bunch of bull.
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Old 06-09-2008, 07:32 PM
 
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Red face have you heard this one? two white chicks and a black guy moves to Detroit

the neighbors choices are:

1. All whites move the hell out cause a black man moved in.

2. All Chiristians move out cause a lesbian couple threatens their marriage

3. All blacks align to attack the family cause it is mixed race.

4. EVERYBODY runs like hell cause the FDLS is movin in!

I cannot wait...and they say politics makes strange bedfellows...economics can do more to integrate the populace than even politics!
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Old 06-09-2008, 08:55 PM
 
Location: Garden City, MI
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Nearborn has a point. With the current housing situation I think the trend is not for former suburbanites to move into Detroit, but for Detroit dwellers to move to the ever cheapening suburbs. Homes right now in places like Warrendale, Old Redford, and Brightmoor are only marginally cheaper than a similar home in a much safer neighborhood in Redford, Dearborn, Dearborn Heights, Livonia, and countless other burbs. Housing within the city limits right now has very little appeal to the average white OR black person who is down on their luck moneywise since for what you would pay in Detroit is doable anywhere else. In my opinion the people looking to move within the city limits right now are either people who want to be progressive about the city and moving it forward OR those who enjoy the ghetto mentality and lifestyle and want to immerse themselves in it.
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