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Old 05-02-2009, 08:21 AM
 
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Que: Who else reported theft by outrageous water bills?

And how can one not dispute them?

Why not sue the city for fraud?

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Originally Posted by Quemonius View Post
How can they justify $5000/yr taxes on a 2 br home 800 sq. ft home with crashing property values all around?

I have seen some homes in the desirable areas with $20000/yr taxes pulling a whopping $10000 water bill with only 1 occupant! One person can NOT flush $10000 worth of $%^@&&! It's impossible but the water usage bill is based on sewage which is unmetered and created out of thin air. You can not dispute the charges! This has happened in the Boston-Edison, Chicago, Sherwood Forest, Palmer Woods, Rosedale Park and many other desirable areas.

The more vacant homes on a block...unpaid water bills and taxes are passed onto those who remain--hence the real truth behind the numbers. Many of the residents who are grandfathered in on their taxes are losing/walked away from their homes to outrageous waterbills! If you don't pay your waterbill then you can lose your home!

A conspiracy indeed.
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Old 05-13-2009, 09:04 AM
 
Location: Sherwood Forest, Detroit
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As an investor looking to invest into Detroit I am finding that although the pricing of the homes are enticing it seems that the taxes are so high ($5000/yr. on a home I can purchase for $20,000) that it's impossible to make the numbers work based on the amount of rent you can ask. So what is the city going to do with this huge supply of beautiful homes in nice neighborhoods now that financing has dried up and it's impractical for investors? Obviously if something isn't done, and soon, the majority of these beautiful homes will be stripped to the point of no return. I realize that the city is in a dire position right now and cannot afford losing any more tax base, but unless some of the load is shifted to other areas ( eg: increasing sales tax,.. ?). Incentives for the investor much like the enterprise zones that were created for owner occupants are essential in order to make investing worthwhile. At this point I feel there is absolutely no hope of filling all these homes with owner occupants (can't get financing, taxes, school system, etc..) I can only imagine whats to come. Any comments or ideas ?
This has been an ongoing problem for years, some former detroit residents left becuase they can no longer afford to pay these hight city taxes on these homes. It's true, it's not that they don't want you to invest but they honestly can't affprd to loose any more tax base and the population will not increase with people who desire to live in Detroit unless this is fixed, which brings us back to mayor Bing balancing the budget.
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Old 05-13-2009, 11:37 AM
 
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Detroit is projected to drop another 22% in the next year google housing predictor - very independent. So if you put 20% down you will be under water at year end. yes you!

I like the old buildings and one day may pick one up for a dollar or two a sq ft but for INVESTMENT use demographics and pick a place thats growing South Texas is still cheap and growing fast. For cheap old architecture go with Detroit.
Hi,
this is all BS. You don't need a college education to figure out Detroit is DETOILET.........There are a LOT of"old bldgs" you can buy for "investment."
Invest, put your $$ where your mouth is.
You must not live here.
I was born and raised in Detoilet. The ONLY reason I'm still living in the subs is I CAN'T SELL MY HOUSE. I dropped the price 10K just to dump it. I've known the realtor for 30 years, the home is SPOTLESS.
Google housing "predicktor." What are they going to predict when Chrysler and GM fold? The Gov is an absolute MORON. Ppl talk about 10-15 years down the road like it's tomorrow.Ya,I see a light at the end of the tunnel.
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Old 05-16-2009, 02:29 AM
 
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Dexterguy
Thanks for the info, just put a contract on a house near Mack Ave, about a mile west of Grosse Pointe. what do you think of safety and crime rate in that area?

Thanks

That's my old neighborhood, I wouldn't go back there again without a police escort! The entire street I used to live on has been bulldozed (according to Google image)I consider myself lucky to have gotten out.

Where did you buy a house? Seriously, if you haven't seen the area yet, is it too late to back out? There's other areas better suited for investment or residence.
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Old 05-16-2009, 07:58 AM
 
Location: On the brink of WWIII
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That's my old neighborhood, I wouldn't go back there again without a police escort! The entire street I used to live on has been bulldozed (according to Google image)I consider myself lucky to have gotten out.

Where did you buy a house? Seriously, if you haven't seen the area yet, is it too late to back out? There's other areas better suited for investment or residence.

OUCH...marylee..such brutal HONESTY.. This will not be appreciated by the ROSE-COLORED-GLASSES committee that meets in Southfield every Sunday morning in lieu of being at church.

Might I suggest an alternative wording--

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That's my old neighborhood,
WOW! That's right where I had lived when growing up during my wonderful development as a human being.

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Originally Posted by marylee54 View Post
I wouldn't go back there again without a police escort!
I would not go back there unless I could be sure to see lots of my old friends with those funny bubbles on their cars.

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Originally Posted by marylee54 View Post
The entire street I used to live on has been bulldozed (according to Google image)
I see on GOOGLE MAP that it hardly looks anything like it did when I was there last.


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I consider myself lucky to have gotten out.
When I left I was extremely glad about the price I sold my place for and consider myself extremely fortunate to have gotten such a great offer.


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Originally Posted by marylee54 View Post

Where did you buy a house?

If it was close to the street I lived on that will really be a great experience for you and your family.


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Seriously, if you haven't seen the area yet, is it too late to back out?

AWESOME! if you haven't seen the area yet, I am sure you will be amazed at the way they have landscaped the area and the great geographic features that have been incorporated since I left.


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There's other areas better suited for investment or residence.
And while there are so many other areas better suited for investment and residential opportunities in the suburbs, I am ecstatic to see such exuberance and eagerness taking root in an area where renewal will assure the growth and expansion of such current conditions will be prevented in the future.


So, in short marylee, when ever one refers to Detroit, PLEASE, remember your thesaurus. Once you have written your post, please refer to the ANTONYM section and replace ALL those HURTFUL, truthful and HONEST words based on FACT and experience with nice POLITICALLY CORRECT and distorted views of the truth--cause quite simply--

Those folks of the ROSE-COLORED-GLASSES committee that meet every Sunday in Southfield (in lieu of going to church) will no longer like you and try to intimidate you and will attempt to :frighten" you away just like that big bad city of DETROIT must have scared you at one time--that's why you dislike the city, right?

One bad experience with the ice-cream guy and WHAM--Detroit PHOBIA sets in.

I have seen it many times,

I too suffer from occasional bouts of Detroit Phobia (DP) as well.

But thanks to my friends in SHERWOOD FOREST and others of the ROSE-COLORED-GLASSES committee
(formerly known as the WE DON'T SEE JACK WRONG WIT THE CITY, give me the keys to the NAVIGATOR club)
I am able too see the errors of my ways (sometimes I back slide I must admit) and accept Detroit as not perfect, but as a slightly flawed version of DANTE'S SEVENTH CIRCLE..

Gotta go..my meds aren't working right...

Gonna call my sponsor at 1-800-SAVE-ME-SHREWS!!

Last edited by zthatzmanz28; 05-16-2009 at 08:13 AM..
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Old 05-16-2009, 02:39 PM
 
Location: Huntington Woods, MI
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Dexterguy
Thanks for the info, just put a contract on a house near Mack Ave, about a mile west of Grosse Pointe. what do you think of safety and crime rate in that area?

Thanks

I know this an old post, but I live in Harper Woods, west of Mack and the area has slipped the past 10 years. Not as good as it used to be. Some vacancies and boarded up houses by the 7 mile and Mack area by St. Johns. Crime has risen here in Harper Woods, due in large people to the people coming from Detroit and stealing. I don't believe it is at the point yet where you will get shot, but I wouldn't feel to comfortable walking alone at night and most likely anything of value will get stolen. Here in Harper Woods we are having lots of problems with property theft. I can't imagine it to be any better in Detroit.
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Old 05-19-2009, 09:58 PM
 
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There definitely is a conspiracy and a municipal racket. Unjustifiable property taxes, ACR expectations, CofO impossibilities, city inspections, blight ticketing/fine=jail time, insurance, etc. make it impossible to make the numbers work from an investing or owner-occupant standpoint.

How can they justify $5000/yr taxes on a 2 br home 800 sq. ft home with crashing property values all around?

I have seen some homes in the desirable areas with $20000/yr taxes pulling a whopping $10000 water bill with only 1 occupant! One person can NOT flush $10000 worth of $%^@&&! It's impossible but the water usage bill is based on sewage which is unmetered and created out of thin air. You can not dispute the charges! This has happened in the Boston-Edison, Chicago, Sherwood Forest, Palmer Woods, Rosedale Park and many other desirable areas.

The more vacant homes on a block...unpaid water bills and taxes are passed onto those who remain--hence the real truth behind the numbers. Many of the residents who are grandfathered in on their taxes are losing/walked away from their homes to outrageous waterbills! If you don't pay your waterbill then you can lose your home!

A conspiracy indeed.
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Originally Posted by zthatzmanz28 View Post
OUCH...marylee..such brutal HONESTY.. This will not be appreciated by the ROSE-COLORED-GLASSES committee that meets in Southfield every Sunday morning in lieu of being at church.

Might I suggest an alternative wording--



WOW! That's right where I had lived when growing up during my wonderful development as a human being.



I would not go back there unless I could be sure to see lots of my old friends with those funny bubbles on their cars.



I see on GOOGLE MAP that it hardly looks anything like it did when I was there last.




When I left I was extremely glad about the price I sold my place for and consider myself extremely fortunate to have gotten such a great offer.





If it was close to the street I lived on that will really be a great experience for you and your family.





AWESOME! if you haven't seen the area yet, I am sure you will be amazed at the way they have landscaped the area and the great geographic features that have been incorporated since I left.




And while there are so many other areas better suited for investment and residential opportunities in the suburbs, I am ecstatic to see such exuberance and eagerness taking root in an area where renewal will assure the growth and expansion of such current conditions will be prevented in the future.


So, in short marylee, when ever one refers to Detroit, PLEASE, remember your thesaurus. Once you have written your post, please refer to the ANTONYM section and replace ALL those HURTFUL, truthful and HONEST words based on FACT and experience with nice POLITICALLY CORRECT and distorted views of the truth--cause quite simply--

Those folks of the ROSE-COLORED-GLASSES committee that meet every Sunday in Southfield (in lieu of going to church) will no longer like you and try to intimidate you and will attempt to :frighten" you away just like that big bad city of DETROIT must have scared you at one time--that's why you dislike the city, right?

One bad experience with the ice-cream guy and WHAM--Detroit PHOBIA sets in.

I have seen it many times,

I too suffer from occasional bouts of Detroit Phobia (DP) as well.

But thanks to my friends in SHERWOOD FOREST and others of the ROSE-COLORED-GLASSES committee
(formerly known as the WE DON'T SEE JACK WRONG WIT THE CITY, give me the keys to the NAVIGATOR club)
I am able too see the errors of my ways (sometimes I back slide I must admit) and accept Detroit as not perfect, but as a slightly flawed version of DANTE'S SEVENTH CIRCLE..

Gotta go..my meds aren't working right...

Gonna call my sponsor at 1-800-SAVE-ME-SHREWS!!


Wow! Are you in journalism? You're quite the wordsmith! Couldn't have said it better myself!
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Old 05-20-2009, 03:36 AM
 
Location: On the brink of WWIII
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Wow! Are you in journalism? You're quite the wordsmith! Couldn't have said it better myself!
I paid dearly for these words...

Creative writing major...

Jack Kerouac School of Disembodied Poetics

Boulder Colorado, 1997.


When I was in Detroit schools I once had a run in with a brute...

oh this is for another thread....

Beware of the little red triangle--

Use it sparingly cause it is greatly misunderstood.
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Old 05-27-2009, 07:28 PM
 
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I'd like to hear from the folks from out of town who have been coming here to invest in cheap housing in the city of Detroit. How's it going fellas?
My friend and I are non-US residents wanting to pay cash for
houses in good shape in areas such as Palmer Woods, Indian
Village, Sherwood Forest. Up to $110,000 US. So far not
a single agent or broker has replied, not even listing agents.
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Old 05-27-2009, 07:45 PM
 
Location: Sherwood Forest, Detroit
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My friend and I are non-US residents wanting to pay cash for
houses in good shape in areas such as Palmer Woods, Indian
Village, Sherwood Forest. Up to $110,000 US. So far not
a single agent or broker has replied, not even listing agents.
Why wouldn't they because, your not in the country.
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