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Old 06-01-2009, 01:44 PM
 
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First off I'd like to say HI to all of you Detroit HATERS bad mouthing Detroit when you and I know that dispite Detroit's reputation most Detroiters aren't bad people most are hard working people just trying to make ends meet just like everybody else despite the condition of Detroit's economy

Well, I live right by Detroit and I most definitely hate it. I tend to believe that you are a Detroiter, and are likewise a good hard-working individual. But, I think you are making a bad assumption in saying that most people in Detroit are like you. I don't believe they are. I'll be more specific here and tell you exactly why I hate Detroit.

I hate that I have to raise my kids near this city. I fear the day they turn 16 and head downtown like a dumb, naive teenager. I have personally seen too many tragedies because of the crime and drugs in Detroit. Hopefully, I will find a way out of here before that day arrives.

I hate that I'm stuck here. My house is way undervalued now, and won't sell even at a ridiculously low price. I can't leave, even though I would jump at the opportunity.

I hate that if I lose my job, I won't be able to find another one. They just don't seem to exist around here.

There's plenty more, but those are the main points. Detroit is a tough place to defend, for a reason. Just run a Google image search on Detroit, and ignore that deceiving skyline shot taken from Windsor. This city is dead.
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Old 06-02-2009, 12:24 AM
 
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Detroit is a tough place to defend, for a reason.
It is not so much that Detroit is a tough place to defend but that it is currently an easy place to bad mouth. It is convenient to blame an inanimate political region while it is inconvenient to question whether you bought a home you didn't want at an inflated value.

This little piece of land on the Detroit River that was so good to our forefathers is now the boogie man causing all of our problems?
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Old 07-02-2010, 10:52 AM
 
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Well, I live right by Detroit and I most definitely hate it. I tend to believe that you are a Detroiter, and are likewise a good hard-working individual. But, I think you are making a bad assumption in saying that most people in Detroit are like you. I don't believe they are. I'll be more specific here and tell you exactly why I hate Detroit.

I hate that I have to raise my kids near this city. I fear the day they turn 16 and head downtown like a dumb, naive teenager. I have personally seen too many tragedies because of the crime and drugs in Detroit. Hopefully, I will find a way out of here before that day arrives.

I hate that I'm stuck here. My house is way undervalued now, and won't sell even at a ridiculously low price. I can't leave, even though I would jump at the opportunity.

I hate that if I lose my job, I won't be able to find another one. They just don't seem to exist around here.

There's plenty more, but those are the main points. Detroit is a tough place to defend, for a reason. Just run a Google image search on Detroit, and ignore that deceiving skyline shot taken from Windsor. This city is dead.
I think Detroit will and has to turn around
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Old 07-02-2010, 09:03 PM
 
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I hate that I have to raise my kids near this city. I fear the day they turn 16 and head downtown like a dumb, naive teenager. I have personally seen too many tragedies because of the crime and drugs in Detroit. Hopefully, I will find a way out of here before that day arrives.
Did you tell them your stories about your tragedies? They need to hear those stories. They need to read internet accounts about what Detroit is like now. So, once they do head Downtown, they won't be "dumb, naive" - they will be aware and on guard, but will not show it.

Above all, they should act purposeful and should not show fear. They should not look like they are wandering aimlessly. They should not ask for directions on the street (it is okay to walk into a convenience store and ask for directions) - They should not stand out. They should not be there at night.
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Old 07-03-2010, 06:18 AM
 
Location: Grosse Ile Michigan
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I think that your concept is correct, but the number should be 55,000 or maybe 155,000. However you are correct, it is a minority of bad people who give the city a bad name. Unfortunately too many of the good people are sitting scared intheir homes, or are too frightened or too lazy to get out and do anythihng about hte problems. It is well bpast time that the citizens get off their duffs and start fixing their city. The City government certainly is not capable of it. The average Joes and Janes need to get going and resolve the problems. They can, but for whatever reason, they won't
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Old 07-03-2010, 10:51 AM
 
Location: Michissippi
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This little piece of land on the Detroit River that was so good to our forefathers is now the boogie man causing all of our problems?
The problem is not the piece of land itself, but rather some of the people who live on the parcel that make up Detroit.

Perhaps only a small percentage of Detroit residents are responsible for giving the City a bad name, but those are the same people who will also break into your home and steal your car. For example, one college-educated black woman who purchased a home in Boston-Edison was fearful when she returned home each night and was broken into several times. Burglars finally burned her house down, and now she is living in a West Bloomfield condo. The other problem is that if you live in Detroit your children may not learn to read or write nor even graduate from high school.

Sadly, I don't have any palatable solutions for fixing the City. One politically incorrect solution might be to pay everyone who lives in the City money to move to other states, removing the concentrated poverty and crime from the area and distributing the burden to more prosperous states. The all of the residential areas could be completely razed to make way for new home and neighborhood construction.
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Old 07-06-2010, 11:38 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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One politically incorrect solution might be to pay everyone who lives in the City money to move to other states, removing the concentrated poverty and crime from the area and distributing the burden to more prosperous states.
I think this is a terrible idea. One of the reasons why Chicago's crime rate has skyrocketed and respectable lower middle class neighborhoods in the city are now dangerous is because they demolished the projects and gave Section 8 vouchers to the residents. They took their ways and their wiles with them and now some of my friends' lives are a living hell in what 10-15 years ago was a good area.

Enough with the "out of sight, out of mind" mentality that so many Americans have. The grandparents of today's ghetto dwellers were for the most part lawabiding laborers, which is why the nation's crime was much lower in the 1950s. We need to ask ourselves, what's changed since then?

If our nation is so great, we must stop the means of structural poverty. Welfare reform was a first small step. Next we need a different drug policy, different immigration laws, AND different manufacturing/import policy.

Once we realize there are no disposable people, and that poverty and crime detracts from the quality of all of our lives whether we live in Brightmoor, Detroit or Bloomfield Hills, we will have a better city, state, and country. Just think about the reduced tax burden solidly middle and upper middle class families will have once former ne'er-do-wells (or at least, their children) are productive citizens!
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Old 07-06-2010, 11:49 AM
 
Location: Michissippi
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I didn't suggest that the City attempt to relocate them to other parts of the region. I said that, pragmatically, the solution might be to get them to move out of the state.

I wholeheartedly agree with you that our nation needs to address its problem with Global Labor Arbitrage (foreign outsourcing, work visas, and mass immigration) and that we need to develop a solution to "structural poverty". One problem is that as a free society telling other people how to live, such as imposing some form of communism or socialism on the able-bodied and minded poor in an effort to rehabilitate them, is distasteful to us and contradicts our principles. Also, some people just refuse to take responsibility for themselves (drug users, career criminals, etc.) and some people have rendered themselves incapable of being productive such as impoverished women who have had 5 kids and who could not possibly earn enough money (produce enough wealth) to pay for child care (consumption for wealth) while they are at work. One solution might be to sterilize deeply impoverished women after having a second child or forcing them to use birth control in some sort of a way.

I don't advocate doing that; I'm just putting the ideas out there to illustrate how distasteful real solutions to the problem (work camps, sterilization, etc.) might be.
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Old 07-06-2010, 01:44 PM
 
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Maybe you don't actually force people to move, you just use incentives. That's how China motivates Chinese to move to Tibet. That's how Morrocco induced a mass migration to the Western Sahara. As long as you break them up into sufficiently small pockets to avoid recreating a ghetto.

But I don't think the average voters would support this kind of thing. They are perfectly content to let the urban poor rot.
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Old 08-02-2010, 11:48 AM
 
Location: North of Canada, but not the Arctic
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I think this is a terrible idea. One of the reasons why Chicago's crime rate has skyrocketed and respectable lower middle class neighborhoods in the city are now dangerous is because they demolished the projects and gave Section 8 vouchers to the residents. They took their ways and their wiles with them and now some of my friends' lives are a living hell in what 10-15 years ago was a good area.
A similar situation happened in Detroit. When the expressway was built through Black Bottom, many of the black residents were displaced to white neighborhoods throughout the city that they wouldn't have likely moved to at any time in the near future (at that time). This was very much resented by most white residents. Voluntary migration is acceptable, but government-enforced, social-engineered dislocation is destined for failure.

Back to topic. I (a suburbanite) personally love Detroit and really hope the best for it. I hate the way that many of the neighborhoods look. I love some of the neighborhoods. I hate the way many of the people live (more than 550, that's for sure). I love and admire the way that many persevere despite the odds. I hate the government and the high property and income taxes. It's really a mixed bag.

When people speak disparagingly about Detroit, it's probably because they are comparing it to their suburb, which undoubtedly is a nicer place than Detroit. It all depends on what you are comparing it to.
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