Is Detroit like Cleveland? (Warren, Royal Oak: sales, foreclosure, mortgage)

[clevelandsownray]

Cleveland's rap game is seriously about to EXPLODE, just check out Chip tha Ripper, Kid Cudi, Ray Cash(been on the scene a while), Al Fatz, Corey Bapes, just to name a few.

Seriously though, CHIP THA RIPPER and KID CUDI are changing the rap game, check them out.

As far as the post, obviously my vote is for C-town. But I LOVE the D. People are so real and a lot more friendlier than what I expected up that way. The people of Detroit deserve so much more than what they have. No joke, your downtown has so much potential but someone just needs to break a foot off in those city officials, not to mention that dirtbag mayor.

Big Ups to two of the GREATEST CITIES IN THE U.S., Detroit and Cleveland

[Tiger Beer]

Informative thread, I didn't realize Cleveland had public transporation available...Detroit seems fairly hopeless in ever having that. Not that I'd want it there, as it would have little use, but if had had it before, maybe things might be different now.

[zthatzmanz28]

Originally Posted by MamaGecko

The joke I've always heard:

What's the definition of Detroit?



Cleveland without all the glitter!

I thought the answer was "Cleveland without the Rock-n-Roll Hall of Fame..."

[waltlantz]

Originally Posted by Tiger Beer

Informative thread, I didn't realize Cleveland had public transporation available...Detroit seems fairly hopeless in ever having that. Not that I'd want it there, as it would have little use, but if had had it before, maybe things might be different now.

Dude I am a huge transit booster, but the city needs to focus on economic development FIRST.

[PhillytoCincy]

Sorry, but Detroit is really too dependant on the auto industry, and that is killing the city.

I am not from Cleveland, I moved to Ohio from Philly for a job, but I travel all across the country, and visit both Cleveland and Detroit a lot.

Detroit has a lot to offer, but Cleveland has it beat... by a lot!

Cleveland first off, has diversified its economy. Back in the 70s and 80s when the steel mills left, Pittsburgh and Cleveland started working on changing their economies so they weren't so dependant on one industry... and then loosing everything if say a recession or depression hit.

You go to the Uptown in University Circle and you will see construction cranes everywhere. Uptown is home to Cleveland's booming medical based economy. The Cleveland Clinic, University Hospitals, and more are located here. Don't forget about the world famous Cleveland art museum and also world famous Cleveland orchestra. Cleveland's orchestra is in the "top 5" (Philadelphia, New York, Cleveland, Chicago and Boston). This is just one section of Cleveland.

Dont forget about the areas of Tremont, Ohio City, Coventry and Little Italy. Cleveland's Little Italy is one of the best in the country, and each of these neighborhoods in the city has a different character, and GREAT FOOD!

Cleveland is home to great universities, that are truly turning corners. Case Western Reserve is world famous for its research, Cleveland State University is home to a great Law School and one of the best Urban Studies programs in the country, not to mention both have huge amounts of construction going on in their campuses. Baldwin Wallace, John Carroll and Oberlin are also in Cleveland.

Downtown Cleveland was named Brookings Institute "Best Emerging Downtown." The downtown population has grown by over 32.2% in the last decade, and looks to grow even more with the new loft conversions and new mid/highrise condo construction. Downtown Cleveland's current population is at 13,000. The downtown is also home to the second largest performing arts district in the country after Broadway (Playhouse Square), also home to the Warehouse District, East Fourth Street, the Lakefront and more museums, as well as sport venues.

With the passing of the casino bill in Ohio, Cleveland will see construction of its new casino on the Scranton Penisula behind Tower City Center start around March of 2010. New construction for 2010 does not stop there. The new convention center will start as well as the medical mart, the Flats East Bank mixed use project is already underway, 3 new dorm towers a CSU have started construction, as well as new loft conversions on Euclid Avenue. Downtown Cleveland literally is seeing construction in every corner.

The metro area has an unemployment rate under the national average, and continues to diversify its economy. A national park is only 30 minutes from Downtown, the rapid transit links you with Hopkins International Airport to downtown and all the inner ring suburbs. Cleveland was named North America's Best Transit System in 2007. Cleveland's Metro Parks system is one of the best in the country. Cleveland is also one of the nation's biggest banking centers; as well as a Federal Reserve.

I am not trying to down play Detroit, because I want it to do good. I am just stating out the facts, and the many things I have seen on business trips to both cities. I know many people from Detroit that live in the Cleveland area, and talk about how bustling the downtown in Cleveland is. A lot of things happening in Detroit go on in the suburbs. I know a couple from Livonia living in Avon Lake (Cleveland suburb) who get mad at the fact that the Pistons arena is out the suburbs. Think the more revenue Detroit could make with another sport venue downtown. People come to a game and eat dinner downtown.

I was upset with the abandoned store fronts in downtown Detroit which seemed alarmingly high, the lack of pedestrian traffic, and the sea of parking lots!!!!!

Detroit can do it, they need first and foremost, diversify its economy. I see Detroit leaders in Pittsburgh and Cleveland all the time trying to see how they can change. They can, and Detroit WILL! It will just take time and a smart goverment. Second, bring in a light rail system!

Sorry for the story.

[detroitlove]

as far as "lack of transit" goes DETROIT PEOPLE PERFER THE FREEWAYS! we dont try to mock other cities subways and trains. keep ur funky trains lol freeway will take you anywhere in metro detroit in 10-15 mins

[Butchie Boy]

I gotta say Detroit is much more decayed on a much larger scale than Cleveland...but Cleveland is headed in that direction! Check out a couple of my videos on You Tube and you'll see what I mean. "Down in the hood" by Butchie Boy and "A taste of Cleveland" by Butchie Boy.

[313 TUxedo]

When I did a few sightseeing tours of the Cleveland area in the late 1980's, I had noticed that the West Side had miles of neighborhoods that had older homes in great condition, with many small stores tending to the local population still in business, not unlike what one would see in Detroit Proper's outer neighborhoods between 1945 and 1965. These were working-class neighborhoods (back when working actually paid).

In more recent years, I don't see many of those neighborhoods in as good a condition anymore. I can't say this is true on the larger scale, as I have not "scanned" every square mile of Cleveland in recent years.

One thing I agree with, seen in many of these posts, is that Cleveland and Detroit are far more noted for their likenesses than their differences - both are large cities with huge growth in the first third of the 20th century, in a continental climate, with manufacturing a major component of the economy - and slammed by the wholesale export of manufacturing jobs overseas.

Much has been said about Cleveland's manufacturing being more diversified than Detroit's. This may have actually backfired on the Cleveland area, as small goods made by diverse industries can be fit 10,000 in a shipping container from Shenzhen. At this point, manufacturing in supercheap labor countries like China and India has not impacted the USA automobile and truck markets, and I suspect the Detroit area (mainly the suburbs now) actually makes more stuff than the Cleveland area.

One difference I noticed from the first time I visited the North Coast area was that it was more scenic, with significant ranges of hills and ravines (Detroit appears as flat as the surface of Lake Erie, though it is actually an invisible slope with the NW corner 100ft higher than the river).

One question for anyone who may be reading form the Cleveland area - I missed a news story about 5 years ago about a huge new subdivision that was built in Cleveland, but very quickly abandoned, with a declining number of residents stripping their own homes and just leaving. Where was this?

[Coldjensens]

Much as I like to tout Detroit's positive side, Cleveland is a better City in general. There are some things Detroit has to offer that Cleveland lacks, but probably as many or more the other way. THe one big thing Detroit offers young people more than any place else is opportunity. IF Detroit continues to recover, rebuild, young motivated person ocould get in nt eh ground floor and readily end upa key player in the rebirth of the city. Some are accomplishing that now. Of course for every ten who try that, nine will probably fail, but there is an opportunity here like nowhere else in recent times.

Come to Detroit, get a job, meet people. buy a building or house or whatever and renovate it. Start a business. Start another one when that one fails. Get out and participate. Get to know and impress the rich old people who are holding the City together. The opportunity is there for the right people. If I were young, I would go for it. However I have too many responsibilities to take risks like that right now. If I had nothing to lose, I certainly would try to jump on the opportunity.

[MS313]

Originally Posted by Coldjensens

Much as I like to tout Detroit's positive side, Cleveland is a better City in general. There are some things Detroit has to offer that Cleveland lacks, but probably as many or more the other way. THe one big thing Detroit offers young people more than any place else is opportunity. IF Detroit continues to recover, rebuild, young motivated person ocould get in nt eh ground floor and readily end upa key player in the rebirth of the city. Some are accomplishing that now. Of course for every ten who try that, nine will probably fail, but there is an opportunity here like nowhere else in recent times.

Come to Detroit, get a job, meet people. buy a building or house or whatever and renovate it. Start a business. Start another one when that one fails. Get out and participate. Get to know and impress the rich old people who are holding the City together. The opportunity is there for the right people. If I were young, I would go for it. However I have too many responsibilities to take risks like that right now. If I had nothing to lose, I certainly would try to jump on the opportunity.

How do you figure that???