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Old 03-25-2010, 08:38 PM
 
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If you really want to be educated and/or know the truth way Detroit fell then I will be more than happy to go step by step with you.

Unfortunately your attitude is the same attitude that helped accelerate the demise of Detroit.

Your people could not fathom the thought of living next door to those people!!

How about this start a thread on the ten things that did the most damage to Detroit, in all honesty would your attitude be included?

I can't fathom what happened to Detroit? Hey, wait a minute, I LIVED it! Three generations of my family lived on the same street on the East side, we fled like theives in the night. No, not because we couldn't "fathom" the thought of living next door to "those" people, because the area was a war zone when we left. My "attitude" had nothing to do with it, we fled in terror, don't blame me for what happened to Detroit. By the time we got out it was a hell hole, a war zone, and no, we weren't fleeing from the "people next door" There was no "next door". It was burned in the riots!

Sorry I left the garbage hole to live my life in peace. I wish I could have continued living there, but we truly had no choice, after our neighbor across the street was shot and killed in broad daylight, the house next door was burned and a woman and child perished in the flames, well, enough was enough. I don't know what my sticking around would have done, except add to the death toll.


Hey, maybe you could go back and resseruct the old neighborhood? I dare you to walk down it in broad daylight. But you can't buy a home on my old street, 90% of those homes are bulldozed down, nothing but vacant lots and weeds now. A thriving neighborhood once stood there, but, the white man destroyed it. Right, of course, we were the victims, not you! But believe what you want!
But, tell yourself what you are most comfortable. You got in, you destroyed, blame the white man!
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Old 03-25-2010, 09:01 PM
 
Location: Metro-Detroit area
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I can't fathom what happened to Detroit? Hey, wait a minute, I LIVED it! Three generations of my family lived on the same street on the East side, we fled like theives in the night. No, not because we couldn't "fathom" the thought of living next door to "those" people, because the area was a war zone when we left. My "attitude" had nothing to do with it, we fled in terror, don't blame me for what happened to Detroit. By the time we got out it was a hell hole, a war zone, and no, we weren't fleeing from the "people next door" There was no "next door". It was burned in the riots!

Sorry I left the garbage hole to live my life in peace. I wish I could have continued living there, but we truly had no choice, after our neighbor across the street was shot and killed in broad daylight, the house next door was burned and a woman and child perished in the flames, well, enough was enough. I don't know what my sticking around would have done, except add to the death toll.


Hey, maybe you could go back and resseruct the old neighborhood? I dare you to walk down it in broad daylight. But you can't buy a home on my old street, 90% of those homes are bulldozed down, nothing but vacant lots and weeds now. A thriving neighborhood once stood there, but, the white man destroyed it. Right, of course, we were the victims, not you! But believe what you want!
But, tell yourself what you are most comfortable. You got in, you destroyed, blame the white man!
Do you see where your ignorance lies, to you, it's all about what the blacks did!!

That is truly ignorant but what can one expect when they have probably heard all that crap growing up!!!

Well my family lived in Detroit for more than five generations and we trace it back with photos of the places we lived.

I lived two houses off of Dexter Ave and Boston during the 67 riots, I saw the tanks and smelled the smoke.

When the front of our house was burning we moved everything out the back, I lived directly across the alley on Rochester st. Yes both of these homes are gone now.

I have lived AND studied this situation for many years, so while you want to stick with "the blacks did it all" train of thought I decide to stick with reality.

You remind me of another poster, she may still post here.."RedWingsFan" are you there!!
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Old 03-25-2010, 09:05 PM
 
Location: Huntington Woods, MI
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I'm so dissapointed my old house in Detroit is going into foreclsoure. In the mid to late 90's that was actually a thriving neighborhood. Moved in in 1991 for $25,000 and sold in 1999 for $64,000. What's sad is, the house is probably worth less than the $25000 we paid for it in 1991. It's likely going to become vacant and turn into the house next door.
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Old 03-25-2010, 09:21 PM
 
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Do you see where your ignorance lies, to you, it's all about what the blacks did!!

That is truly ignorant but what can one expect when they have probably heard all that crap growing up!!!

Well my family lived in Detroit for more than five generations and we trace it back with photos of the places we lived.

I lived two houses off of Dexter Ave and Boston during the 67 riots, I saw the tanks and smelled the smoke.

When the front of our house was burning we moved everything out the back, I lived directly across the alley on Rochester st. Yes both of these homes are gone now.

I have lived AND studied this situation for many years, so while you want to stick with "the blacks did it all" train of thought I decide to stick with reality.

You remind me of another poster, she may still post here.."RedWingsFan" are you there!!
Ignorance? Hmmm..............somehow I remember it differently. it was more like panic and desperation that forced us out. BTW, we had something many of you probably weren't familiar with, something called a mortgage. See, if the white guy wanted a home, he had to BUY it, with MONEY he EARNED at a JOB. Look up the words in bold.

I grew up there as a child, but my parents and grandparents actually paid for their homes. No government program, no special lets settle the score deals, just cash. They paid on their homes for 20 years. That meant paying every month, or you were evicted. No one cared about your sob story, pay or get out.

We paid our homes free and clear, then were forced out due to the circumstances. No, we didn't create the circumstances, we were the victims. After a lifetime of hard work, we had nothing to show for it, nothing to sell, no equity, a total loss. Meanwhile, other "oppressed minorities" were literally given the homes we'd broken our backs to build and maintain. All sorts of HUD programs to shoehorn in the oppressed. Once they got there, if they got behind on their payments, no problem, just grant extensions.

I remember seeing my beloved neighborhood turned into a war zone. We fled, so now politcially correct history teaches our children that it was white flight that ruined the neighborhoods. Well........if that's how you keep your "pride" guess you have to tell yourself something!

Just as it was your "right" to move in, it was our "right" to move out. You crapped it out, you can have it, we didn't make it that way, you did!
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Old 03-25-2010, 09:23 PM
 
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But on the other hand, perhaps your're right. Killing that white woman next door to me and her (white) child in a house fire, and killing that old man (white) across the street from me probably got rid of a lot of undesirable elements. Sorry I didn't stick around to be part of the purge!
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Old 03-25-2010, 09:24 PM
 
Location: Huntington Woods, MI
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Ignorance? Hmmm..............somehow I remember it differently. it was more like panic and desperation that forced us out. BTW, we had something many of you probably weren't familiar with, something called a mortgage. See, if the white guy wanted a home, he had to BUY it, with MONEY he EARNED at a JOB. Look up the words in bold.

I grew up there as a child, but my parents and grandparents actually paid for their homes. No government program, no special lets settle the score deals, just cash. They paid on their homes for 20 years. That meant paying every month, or you were evicted. No one cared about your sob story, pay or get out.

We paid our homes free and clear, then were forced out due to the circumstances. No, we didn't create the circumstances, we were the victims. After a lifetime of hard work, we had nothing to show for it, nothing to sell, no equity, a total loss. Meanwhile, other "oppressed minorities" were literally given the homes we'd broken our backs to build and maintain. All sorts of HUD programs to shoehorn in the oppressed. Once they got there, if they got behind on their payments, no problem, just grant extensions.

I remember seeing my beloved neighborhood turned into a war zone. We fled, so now politcially correct history teaches our children that it was white flight that ruined the neighborhoods. Well........if that's how you keep your "pride" guess you have to tell yourself something!

Just as it was your "right" to move in, it was our "right" to move out. You crapped it out, you can have it, we didn't make it that way, you did!
We sold our house to a black family who was a Detroit police officer who made more money than my white father. Go figure.
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Old 03-25-2010, 09:45 PM
 
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How about this start a thread on the ten things that did the most damage to Detroit, in all honesty would your attitude be included?

Perhaps you should start your own thread, I'm sure your ideas would be of interest. You're on the wrong thread, my friend, this is about people finding their old homes again in Detroit.

Sincerely, your thread would be of interest to many!
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Old 03-25-2010, 10:02 PM
 
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If you think that skin color predetermines crime and decline, there are thousands of lilly white trailer parks and rural areas proving you wrong. Joblessness, poverty, crime, abuse, despair, apathy have no skin color..
Maybe it's just me but I haven't noticed any of the vast areas of our Nation's cities which have become dangerous, violent ghettoes that are occupied by the residents from these "lilly white trailer parks".

Again, maybe it's just me but I haven't noticed any good, functional neighborhoods become fouled, littered and eventually destroyed by the residents from those trailer parks.

Face facts!
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Old 03-25-2010, 10:10 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Do you see where your ignorance lies, to you, it's all about what the blacks did!!

That is truly ignorant but what can one expect when they have probably heard all that crap growing up!!!

Well my family lived in Detroit for more than five generations and we trace it back with photos of the places we lived.

I lived two houses off of Dexter Ave and Boston during the 67 riots, I saw the tanks and smelled the smoke.

When the front of our house was burning we moved everything out the back, I lived directly across the alley on Rochester st. Yes both of these homes are gone now.

I have lived AND studied this situation for many years, so while you want to stick with "the blacks did it all" train of thought I decide to stick with reality.

You remind me of another poster, she may still post here.."RedWingsFan" are you there!!
What is this reality you profess to know? I know the story behind Detroit's demise, but I'm curious as to what you have learned.

I can understand Marylee's anger and frustration over the loss of her neighborhood. Let's not be politically correct and let's accept the reality of the situation.
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Old 03-25-2010, 10:18 PM
 
Location: Metro-Detroit area
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Ignorance? Hmmm..............somehow I remember it differently. it was more like panic and desperation that forced us out. BTW, we had something many of you probably weren't familiar with, something called a mortgage. See, if the white guy wanted a home, he had to BUY it, with MONEY he EARNED at a JOB. Look up the words in bold.

I grew up there as a child, but my parents and grandparents actually paid for their homes. No government program, no special lets settle the score deals, just cash. They paid on their homes for 20 years. That meant paying every month, or you were evicted. No one cared about your sob story, pay or get out.

We paid our homes free and clear, then were forced out due to the circumstances. No, we didn't create the circumstances, we were the victims. After a lifetime of hard work, we had nothing to show for it, nothing to sell, no equity, a total loss. Meanwhile, other "oppressed minorities" were literally given the homes we'd broken our backs to build and maintain. All sorts of HUD programs to shoehorn in the oppressed. Once they got there, if they got behind on their payments, no problem, just grant extensions.

I remember seeing my beloved neighborhood turned into a war zone. We fled, so now politcially correct history teaches our children that it was white flight that ruined the neighborhoods. Well........if that's how you keep your "pride" guess you have to tell yourself something!

Just as it was your "right" to move in, it was our "right" to move out. You crapped it out, you can have it, we didn't make it that way, you did!
Again with the ignorant stereotypes!!

So because your family was white and by the virtue of their whiteness..they paid for their house, but by your implication all the black people were just given homes,,as I posted previously; in the face of facts and reality..the blacks did it all just dosen't fly!!!

A tidbit for the ignorant...once QUALIFIED BLACKS were no longer redlined and/or restricted by convenabts, once they could get a bank loan, they paid much more on that loan than your parents did..and it continues to this day.

Blacks with identical credit scores and histories still pay more in interst and are shuffled into sub-prime mortgages even when they are more than qualified for conventional mortgages. I know you will say that isn't true..but it dosen't matter; you haven't let facts get in your way yet!!!

Blacks also took the most dangerous, back breaking jobs in the plants, thet worked just as hard for their money as everyone else..according to people like you this is impossible to comprehend.

You are a bitter person consumed with racism, you see no fault of your forefathers in the fall of Detroit..it was all because of black people.

Just because you want that to be the case dosen't make it so..


I'm not familiar with a mortgage...why would that be, because I'm black...more ignorance, stereotypes, and personal attacks.
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