I found my old house in Detroit today... (Warren, Jackson: lease, squatters)

[reconmark]

Originally Posted by ilovemycomputer90

What is this reality you profess to know? I know the story behind Detroit's demise, but I'm curious as to what you have learned.

I can understand Marylee's anger and frustration over the loss of her neighborhood. Let's not be politically correct and let's accept the reality of the situation.

Let's not be pc..what caused the demise of the city in your opinion??

Frustration and anger don't justify furthering ignorance and half-truths, should I not be just as frustrated and angry because I was forced to move out.

I would be just as wrong and ignorant to try to say that white people racism was the only or main reason for the demise of the city.

Why do you think people from other parts of the country come here and shake their heads at the ignorance, racism, and segregation of se Mi; it's because some people feel justified screaming across the aisle that the other person is responsible, without ever facing their own behaviors!




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This was written years ago and I can add other information such as the number of Detroiters that left the city due to VA loans and open land in Ca, the effect of the black middle class when the exodus of the auto motive factories to the suburbs took place, the refusal of banks to under write home loans to certain people for certain areas. There are numerous factors that contributed ti the down fall of Detroit, to try to push the myth that only the introduction of blacks into the city resulted in it's downfall is false, disingenuous and simply furthers the inability to learn the truth.

It's late I have to get to sleep, contrary to what some on this board think, black people also have careers. I'll reply tomorrow.

I base my position on reason and facts not emotion, stereotypes, or hate the other race sentiments.

[omckenzie710]

Detroit saddens me, as well as this story. I am a HUGE Tigers fan, I try to go to as many games as I can every season. I'm from Monroe county (about 40 miles south of Detroit), and I just feel so uncomfortable up there. We'll tailgate before games, and the bums come out of the woodwork for our beer cans or any spare change we might have. We always park in gated lots, even though they're more expensive, I just don't trust that our cars won't get broken into. The Pistons and the Red Wings have a great fan base, as well as the Tigers, and although Lions fans are slowly dropping like flies, I just love the amount of excitement when going to these games. It almost makes you forget about all of the negatives of Detroit. I wish things could turn around there, if someone would just invest in the city, it would have great potential. But the problem is finding someone with the passion to turn the city around.

[ilovemycomputer90]

Originally Posted by reconmark

Let's not be pc..what caused the demise of the city in your opinion??

Frustration and anger don't justify furthering ignorance and half-truths, should I not be just as frustrated and angry because I was forced to move out.

I would be just as wrong and ignorant to try to say that white people racism was the only or main reason for the demise of the city.

Why do you think people from other parts of the country come here and shake their heads at the ignorance, racism, and segregation of se Mi; it's because some people feel justified screaming across the aisle that the other person is responsible, without ever facing their own behaviors!




//www.city-data.com/forum/michi...-michigan.html

This was written years ago and I can add other information such as the number of Detroiters that left the city due to VA loans and open land in Ca, the effect of the black middle class when the exodus of the auto motive factories to the suburbs took place, the refusal of banks to under write home loans to certain people for certain areas. There are numerous factors that contributed ti the down fall of Detroit, to try to push the myth that only the introduction of blacks into the city resulted in it's downfall is false, disingenuous and simply furthers the inability to learn the truth.

It's late I have to get to sleep, contrary to what some on this board think, black people also have careers. I'll reply tomorrow.

I base my position on reason and facts not emotion, stereotypes, or hate the other race sentiments.

I read the thread and both you and TurboState, made good points. Of course it would be stupid to blame ALL of Detroit's problems on blacks. But the fact is that Detroit's population is over 80% African American. It also happens to be one of the most dangerous cities in the U.S. Coincidence? I think not.

My views on the situation has nothing to do with prejudice or racial sentiment. I'm simply looking at the facts.

[malamute]

Originally Posted by reconmark

If you really want to be educated and/or know the truth way Detroit fell then I will be more than happy to go step by step with you.

Unfortunately your attitude is the same attitude that helped accelerate the demise of Detroit.

Your people could not fathom the thought of living next door to those people!!

How about this start a thread on the ten things that did the most damage to Detroit, in all honesty would your attitude be included?

In some ways it was probably integration that hurt Detroit more than anything. It wasn't just white flight out but middle class black flight out. Working middle class blacks could move to the suburbs along with the whites -- and that killed Detroit.

With racist segregation, the ambitious, the good role models, the families would tend to have to stay and provide stability, be examples of how to make it.

So it really isn't that white middle class people packed up and left but that all colors of middle class packed up and left.

[Yac]

Everybody please calm down. Agree to disagree, ignore each other - I don't care. Just don't turn an interesting and controversial (as it seems) topic into a flame war.
Yac.

[reconmark]

Originally Posted by ilovemycomputer90

I read the thread and both you and TurboState, made good points. Of course it would be stupid to blame ALL of Detroit's problems on blacks. But the fact is that Detroit's population is over 80% African American. It also happens to be one of the most dangerous cities in the U.S. Coincidence? I think not.

My views on the situation has nothing to do with prejudice or racial sentiment. I'm simply looking at the facts.

When you cite the racial make up of the city you are simply citing the end result of all the racial, market, comercial, and socio-economic, inputs that contributed to the city being 80% black.

Those that are stuck behind include not only those who do not want to work but those tradesmen and skilled workers that no longer have a market for their skills.

The largest exodus of opportunities for the majority of working blacks occured when the automakers left the cities and blacks were refused loans to purchase properties in the suburbs.

Now there are those who would put their thumbs in their ears in an attempt to deny this fact, but it only takes a second to verify this on your own.

When you skim off the upper and most of the middle class employment opprtunities Detroit is what you have left.

When a cycle of segregation, racial anomosity from both sides, a lack of personal drive, a sense of helplesness, and few chances at a coveted auto plant job are the norm, this is what we are feft with.

[ilovemycomputer90]

Originally Posted by reconmark

When you cite the racial make up of the city you are simply citing the end result of all the racial, market, comercial, and socio-economic, inputs that contributed to the city being 80% black.

That seems to be the end result in Detroit, no?

Originally Posted by reconmark

Those that are stuck behind include not only those who do not want to work but those tradesmen and skilled workers that no longer have a market for their skills.

The largest exodus of opportunities for the majority of working blacks occured when the automakers left the cities and blacks were refused loans to purchase properties in the suburbs.

Now there are those who would put their thumbs in their ears in an attempt to deny this fact, but it only takes a second to verify this on your own.

When you skim off the upper and most of the middle class employment opprtunities Detroit is what you have left.

When a cycle of segregation, racial anomosity from both sides, a lack of personal drive, a sense of helplesness, and few chances at a coveted auto plant job are the norm, this is what we are feft with.

Completely agree.

[SCBaker]

Me too!

[MaryleeII]

The East Side had crime long before the first 'colored " person ever came, that's so true.My Dad got a new Ford with a radio, an option at that time. It wasa stolen out of the car 3x! he finally rigged up an alarm, it went off and scared away whoever, no problem after that. We did lock our doors at night.

But throughout it was a stable neighborhood. A place where peoole could walk the streets during the day, yoiu felt safe letting kids play, and little businesses thrived. Then the 'great equality" movement began. Within a few years that area changed into a place where you were afraid to go out in broad dayloight. No, not because of "attitude" (oh, my goodness, there's colored people out there). No, because, the nature and intensity of crimes escalated. A few petty burgalries is one thing, but rapes, muggings, arson, and murder were almost an everyday occurence.People fleeing the area weren't responsible for the problem, if there wasn't a problem, they wouldn't have fled.


Lets try to straighten out this circular logic! One group came and and destroyed anothers home, then shakes their head in wonder, why did they leave? Now look at the garbage hole I'm stuck with? Well, it wasn't that way when they came in.

[Remisc]

Yikes. This thread is getting out of hand.