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Old 08-24-2011, 10:11 AM
 
Location: The Port City is rising.
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but sorry, it doesnt involve INCREASING consumption of meat and butterfat either, or cutting out carbs.


Cholesterol-lowering foods better than low-fat diet? What study says - HealthPop - CBS News


Soy protein, oats and barley, and nuts.

Whoddathunkit?
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Old 08-25-2011, 09:26 PM
 
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There's more than one way to skin a cat. I notice they didn't mention Weight Watchers, either.

PS - Low-carbers don't cut OUT carbs, they reduce them. My dinner tonight was Carribbean jerk chicken with green beans, onion, and red pepper. When the weather cools, I'll be eating hot cereals that include oat bran. We use soy protein in low-carbing.
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Old 08-26-2011, 07:15 AM
 
Location: Everywhere and Nowhere
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I eat a handful of almonds every day on my low carb routine and so according to that article, I'm covered. I still do low carb to get and keep the weight off. I don't see anything there that's inconsistent with what I'm doing now. The good news is it appears sat fats don't have much of an impact either way as long as you get rid of the weight, exercise, and eat enough other good stuff.
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Old 08-26-2011, 09:43 AM
 
Location: The Port City is rising.
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There's more than one way to skin a cat. I notice they didn't mention Weight Watchers, either.
No, but WW isn't constantly dissing whole grains and soy, as at least SOME low carb advocates do. Indeed ALL the foods listed could easily fit into WW.

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Old 08-26-2011, 09:49 AM
 
Location: The Port City is rising.
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The good news is it appears sat fats don't have much of an impact either way as long as you get rid of the weight, exercise, and eat enough other good stuff.

Just to clarify low sat fat vs whatever the amount of sat fat the folks eating the "cholesterol lowering fooods" in this study ate doesnt matter. The article doesnt say what that latter amount is.

eating much higher levels of sat fat might well matter - not tested in this study.

and, though I was the OP, let me caveat, as always, its just one study.

Though its consistent with earlier studies on the benefits of oats, for example.

That a serving of nuts is as much protection as oats appears to be new to me - thats where I would like to see more studies.

Also interesting that soy is protective. Even processed soy, apparently, which has been much denigrated based on other studies.
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Old 08-26-2011, 09:51 AM
 
Location: The Port City is rising.
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PS - Low-carbers don't cut OUT carbs, .

yes, I should have used more precise language.

Of course low sat fat diets dont cut out all sat fats, etc, etc. Its almost impossible to completely cut out any one macronutrient, I think.
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Old 08-26-2011, 09:44 PM
 
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yes, I should have used more precise language.

Of course low sat fat diets dont cut out all sat fats, etc, etc. Its almost impossible to completely cut out any one macronutrient, I think.
Yes, I'd agree. Few foods are purely one macronutrient. And your body can create glucose out of non-carbohydrate sources (gluconeogenesis).
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Old 09-01-2011, 05:04 AM
 
Location: In a house
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Cholesterol is necessary for life. Low cholesterol leads to death. The Framingham Study debunked the Ancel Keys Lipid Theory about 40 years ago.

Framingham Heart Study
This is incorrect. The study provided evidence that high HDL levels reduced the risk of heart disease.

This thread pertains to LDL levels, which the study confirms is a risk at high levels of heart disease.

Not all cholesterol is the same. High LDL = bad. High HDL = good.
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Old 09-01-2011, 07:25 AM
 
Location: Las Flores, Orange County, CA
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Nobody has a higher success rate than people taking Lipitor or other statins to lower cholesterol.
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Old 09-01-2011, 07:53 AM
 
Location: Newton, MA
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This is incorrect. The study provided evidence that high HDL levels reduced the risk of heart disease.

This thread pertains to LDL levels, which the study confirms is a risk at high levels of heart disease.

Not all cholesterol is the same. High LDL = bad. High HDL = good.

Actually, I read something recently that the difference in people who dies between the control and test groups were something like in group one something like 1.6% of the people died due to heart and in group 2 something like 2% died. it was a difference of around 3 people.

But, they used this data to say something like 20% more people die when cholestoral stays high arent used... even though the total wasnt statistically significant...

All I'm saying is dont take the abstract of a study, or the medias headline to explain what a study says...

I wish medical studies data was a bit more public.

I'll look for the article I read that in


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